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spudfan



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Norway: Decrease In Plug-In Electric Car Sales Deepens In Ju
Over here our crowd running the country have frequently pushed how Norway is the country to follow with their electric vehicle sales and usage. Well something seems to be happening in Norway that was not in the script
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What we see in those numbers is the combination of supply constraints, market uncertainty, and lower incentives in the case of PHEVs


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spudfan



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Yes I saw that especially the lower incentives bit. So you and me have to subsidise the EV buyers otherwise they will not buy. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
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There was an article the other week from California that was saying that one in five new EV owners had gone back to gas powered cars due to the normal charging issues, range and a lack of emotional attachment to an EV.

Another article I read was in regards to the Ford F-150 Lighting. In this case someone drove it across the width of the country towing a trailer.

The distance travelled was 2,600 miles. They had to stop every 100 miles to charge the vehicle. And that is meant to be a working truck.

Can you image that using UK charge points where you would have to detach the trailer before you could plug in, every time.

It was also on a YouTube vid saying that in the US alone + 92,000 deaths had been attributed to EV’s. Mostly due to the weight of the vehicles and greater stopping distances. Basically bigger mass hitting a regular vehicle / pedestrian/ cyclist.

Just like EV fires, the negatives seem to be brushed aside

In regards to PHEV’s. The EU have stated that they will be ‘looking into’ those vehicles and they are not as green as the manufacturers claim due to a lack of real world EV range and the fact they are mostly using the petrol engine. If I remember correctly they have given the date as 2026, which I guess will give the manufacturers time to improve or drop them completely.

Either way, it still does not help the average consumer with unaffordability of a useful sized EV and for many the lack of being able to charge it outside of their own home (and certainly not if there are multiple drivers within one household)

It’s not the be all end all that the politicians would have the consumer to believe, especially once those vehicles get their own VED taxation to drive in on public roads.
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The Semiconductor issue is going to keep the supply issue going for decades. There will be a PR / Spin push to be green by keeping old vehicles running as the supply side of the issue will never be resolved until someone makes it cheaper to fab semiconductors. Belize Green TD5 110 Double Cab aka Le Farm Truck
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pjm-84



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I did make the change to an Outlander PHEV in 2015 because the government gave me £5k towards the car.

I'm currently on 2600miles in my BMW PHEV. 2450mile on electric at 2.3miles per kWh. Electric use so far is 1130kWh. Over the same period my PVs have produced 1483kWh.

You forget to mention that the petrol pickup was averaging high 6s to the gallon and had a better range due to the size of the tank.
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spudfan wrote:
Yes I saw that especially the lower incentives bit. So you and me have to subsidise the EV buyers otherwise they will not buy.


I’ve always been against subsidising EV’s, it gives the manufacturer no reason to lower prices. 23MY 110 D250 XS Edition, Hakuba Silver

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lord-haggis



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It’s like help to buy, it’s been used as an excuse to jack the price of be housing up, it’s funny how the big house builders profits per unit jumped by a similar amount as the help to buy… Belize Green TD5 110 Double Cab aka Le Farm Truck
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pjm-84



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Hence the EV subsidy has dropped as the price has come down. The Outlander was circa 40k back in 2015, but with the 5k grant and 5k off it became more appealing.

Nowt on the BMW but at that cost it doesn't need any subsidy.


Markets are difficult but the house builders know their markets and will not spend any more than they have to. Until the market demands a change the housebuilder will continue to churn out the same formula. Hence I dont work for house builders.
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