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Bluest



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Bulkhead to chassis outrigger bolt.
I need to replace this bolt. Can anyone confirm the size, diameter and length on a 2007 Puma? M12 x 180 is what I can see commonly sold, but mine looks to be maybe 7/16 Whitworth. It’s definety not metric,

Also, if I remove the bolt, do I need to support anything that might move out of alignment? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Retroanaconda



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Definitely M12 and 180mm long, if yours is another thread then someone’s changed it.

AYG500080 is the LR part number it you want to buy it that way, although any fixings supplier will sell you some cheaper, they’re just standard 8.8 grade bolts - nothing special.
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If you have rock / tree sliders you will need a longer bolt.

When i fitted my tree sliders i had no issues with removing one bolt at a time to replace them. Remember, lots of copper grease.

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Bluest



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Retroanaconda wrote:
Definitely M12 and 180mm long, if yours is another thread then someone’s changed it.

AYG500080 is the LR part number it you want to buy it that way, although any fixings supplier will sell you some cheaper, they’re just standard 8.8 grade bolts - nothing special.


I’m fairly certain the bolts never been out, but the nut won’t screw into another m12 bolt, and I can run 7/16 Whitworth tap through it nicely. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Bluest



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markb110 wrote:
If you have rock / tree sliders you will need a longer bolt.

When i fitted my tree sliders i had no issues with removing one bolt at a time to replace them. Remember, lots of copper grease.

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It is to be replaced with longer ones Thumbs Up 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Bluest wrote:
I’m fairly certain the bolts never been out, but the nut won’t screw into another m12 bolt, and I can run 7/16 Whitworth tap through it nicely.


Interesting but inconclusive. The correct bolt is M12 as stated above.

An ISO M12 coarse bolt has a major diameter of 11.966mm and a pitch of 1.75mm.

A 7/16" BSW bolt has a major diameter (in newfangled metric units) of 11.113mm and has 14 TPI, which equates to a metric pitch of 1.814mm.

I have never tried it (why would anyone?) but it is entirely possible that the slightly smaller major diameter of the BSW thread form and the very close equivalence in pitch would allow a 7/16" BSW tap to pass through an M12 nut with no difficulty.
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Bluest



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When I get them out next week, I’ll be able to measure them up properly. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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blackwolf



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If you can post a clear photo of the bolt head it should be immediately obvious from the head marking whether it is BS, Unified, or ISO.
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Mine were M12x180 though I think longer is in order if you are fitting rock sliders etc. For the price of a bolt, buy an extra one to use as a punch to tap the old one out - when you are getting to the point where you are pushing past the outrigger/bulkhead joint, give it a good knock to push past that joint. Also have the jack supporting the bulkhead to minimise any chance of it dropping. You will have to do this twice or it will be the wrong way around.
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Bluest



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The bolt that came out was indeed m12 x 180. It’s just the threads on the nut just got mangled stopping it from going on another bolt, hence the confusion.

Incidentally, the original bolts are marked 10.9 grade not 8.8. So the longer 8.8s I got today are no good, need to get hold of 10.9s. 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS
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Bluest wrote:
... Incidentally, the original bolts are marked 10.9 grade not 8.8. So the longer 8.8s I got today are no good, need to get hold of 10.9s.


That is interesting. It is unlikely that there would be any problem using 8.8 for that application, but if 10.9 came out then putting 10.9 back is probably best, even if only for peace of mind.

If you have any trouble finding these, it is worth remembering that hex socket head bolts (often - incorrectly - called "Allen bolts") will be 10.9 as standard.
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