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roddyfox



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South Africa 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Santorini Black
Ford Sourced 2.2Tdci Engine Into Defender?
Having covered barely 12,000km in two years since a rebuild, my 2.2 Tdci engine failed again Crying or Very sad. I'm losing faith in this engine and now want to buy a brand new 2.2 Tdci. However I'm reluctant to buy the engine from Land Rover when I can get virtually the same unit from Ford for 45% of the price. I do know that the upper sump (stiffener) is slightly different, and thereby the oil cooler and filter assembly which bolts to it (filter pointing diagonally upwards rather than straight down) but does anyone know of any other differences please? Apart from what I've mentioned above the engines appear identical in every other respect. If anyone has any input before I take the plunge with the purchase it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Thumbs Up
Post #903080 14th May 2021 6:29pm
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PCM



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How about changing the engine completely to something more fun! M57 for instance?
Post #903084 14th May 2021 6:39pm
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roddyfox



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South Africa 2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Santorini Black
In my neck of the woods it's hard enough finding anyone to do a straight engine swap, let alone a conversion! Plus, I've been without use of the vehicle for two months now, so am anxious to get using it again as quickly as possible. Hoping to sample the B57/ B58 in the spiritual successor next year though! Very Happy
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Marks Landy



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Duckworth Land Rover has a couple of used low mileage 2.2 Engines still available.
Post #903107 14th May 2021 8:25pm
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Naks



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Duckworth LR is a bit far from @roddyfox Whistle

Eish Roddy, that is bad luck...

A friend in CT had a 2.2 failure as well recently and we looked at the Ford option, but Ford stipulates that the warranty is void if the engine is fitted to anything but a Ford. In the end he found a good engine from a crashed Puma.

Those Puma engines don't like to be rebuilt, every story I hear ends up in tears..

Your choices are: get a new engine from LR, hunt for a 2nd hand engine, or do a BMW M57 conversion. --
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Post #903158 15th May 2021 7:25am
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roddyfox



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Thanks Naks. I'm willing to forego the Ford warranty just to get my vehicle back on the road, but was wondering whether any unforeseen problems might be encountered in fitting that engine. Alternatively do you know of any successful M57 conversions done in Cape Town please, or for that matter anywhere else in the country? My web search came up with very little, and nothing recent.
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roddyfox



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Thanks too to Mark's Landy for your info, but as Naks points out, Lincolnshire is some distance from the Eastern Cape!
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Sulisuli



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Hope you manage to get sorted, had a new engine 19000 miles ago luckily mine was under extended warranty. 2015 HT XS 90
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2000 XS TD5 90
Post #903298 15th May 2021 7:35pm
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Naks



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@roddyfox this is the chap in Cape Town who does BMW M57 conversions: https://www.facebook.com/wfouriej/ --
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MartinJC



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I have done exactly that, and apart from the stiffner plate, oil filter arrangement and sump, no difference, have done 30k kms now with no issues!, 2002 130 td5 Gameviewer
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