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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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Yes, but it's not a zero sum game ~ "at least 18 deaths in the United States." from one companies products alone, and manufacturers like Ford having to be forced into recalls:
"Ford is recalling three million vehicles in the U.S. and Canada over airbags. The airbags were made by the same company whose airbags have been linked to at least 18 deaths in the United States. The recall comes after the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration rejected Ford’s argument that this version of the airbags didn’t need to be replaced. The recall is over a defect in airbags made by the now-bankrupt Japanese manufacturer, Takata. Another version of the airbag had an inflator defect that caused a number of the bags to explode, spraying shrapnel through the vehicle. Even though the airbags used by Ford are different, they’re still like a version in the previous recalls and safety regulators said they still pose a risk. Ford says it still believes the airbags are safe, but will respect the NHTSA’s decision and issue a recall. Owners will be notified if their vehicle is included in the recall." https://www.wdbj7.com/2021/01/22/ford-reca...ag-issues/ |
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24th Jan 2021 7:20am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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I don't think we are disagreeing - I'm just saying that unless the most recent airbags fitted to vehicles have different tech or materials then should they become "lifed" items and therefore be replaced, in part or whole, at a defined frequency.
No matter how low the risk with airbags fitted is - they appear to be able to be made more safe, as the recalls show. |
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24th Jan 2021 10:16am |
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| DSL Member Since: 20 Aug 2007 Location: Wandering the wasteland. Posts: 837
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All this reminds me, got to get the airbag recall done on SWMBO’s Jazz. When/if we ever get out of lockdown.
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24th Jan 2021 10:18am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240 
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I always thought that airbags had a recommended life of ten years anyway? Everybody ignores it though, as it's uneconomic in most ten year old cars
 Darren
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24th Jan 2021 10:44am |
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| DSL Member Since: 20 Aug 2007 Location: Wandering the wasteland. Posts: 837
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Only car I’ve ever had that has a replace-by date on an airbag was my P-reg MGF, 10 year life.
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24th Jan 2021 10:47am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240
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I'm sure I remember something similar from my Discovery 2 days in the late 90's. Darren
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24th Jan 2021 10:53am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Wondering then why VW have a recall for 2005 vehicles? Brand: VW Name: Crafter Production dates: The affected vehicles were manufactured between 27 December 2005 and 30 September 2016 |
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24th Jan 2021 10:59am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240
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Hence my question. However, a quick Google suggests that the thinking changed in the early 2000's. Before then, many manufacturers recommended an 'inspection' after 10 or in some cases, 15 years. Presumably those inspections revealed nothing out of the ordinary and manufacturers were led to conclude that they would last the life of the vehicles.
Clearly something has now changed but I wonder whether it's driven by statistics as a result of many more cars now having many more of them fitted. Darren 110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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24th Jan 2021 11:20am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750 
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IIRC it isn’t the bag bit but the explosive compound in the trigger capsule that has the self life - it can become unstable after a few years. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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24th Jan 2021 12:29pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16892 
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I'm fairly sure that the service schedule for my 2002 Disco2 says that the airbags should be replaced after ten (or thereabouts) years. The vehicle is now 18 years old and has its original bags, I wonder if I should be worried.
I don't know if the risk is that they go off when they shouldn't, or if they fail to go off when they should. |
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24th Jan 2021 1:08pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Well it looks like Ford thought nothing was wrong but the regulator thought differently. I wonder if any of the reported deaths followed that earlier decision.?
There's probably more than one issue, but the one I recall reading most about relates to "the ammonium nitrate propellant used in the airbag inflator may experience a material alteration over time due to degradation occurring after prolonged exposure to high absolute humidity, high temperatures and high-temperature cycling. / In the event of an airbag being deployed, it may deploy too slowly or the excessive internal pressure may cause the inflator body to rupture and metal fragments may pass through the cushion material causing injury to the occupants." |
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24th Jan 2021 2:00pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240
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I was talking about the conclusion in the early 2000's rather than current opinion. Darren
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24th Jan 2021 2:47pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Yes.
I was assuming the only difference between the earlier report and the current one, is the action of the regulator; otherwise the issue would go back under the carpet where manufacturers may prefer it resides. |
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24th Jan 2021 5:10pm |
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