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BaronDefenders



Member Since: 28 Jun 2019
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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Santorini Black
Looking for a Series 1

I’ve recently developed a bit of a love for Series 1s and have come to the obvious conclusion that I need one to keep our Series 2 company. Laughing

I don’t have much, if any experience, with Series 1s so I was hoping someone here may be able to give me a couple of pointers?

I’m not after a pristine example, I want something that runs and isn’t about to snap in half. Even if it doesn’t run as long as it has a good chance of running! The body work can look like a Paul Smith special for all I care - to some extent. I also don’t want to be spending a huge sum on it. I’ve seen runners going for £5-7,000 and scrap for £12,000.

If someone could point me in the direction of where I might find a well priced, decent project it’d be much appreciated! I’d also like to know roughly what I should be spending and whether there are any particular things to look out for (good and bad). I have it in my mind to go for one with a petrol engine, as our Series 2 is petrol. Should I be considering diesel?

Also, do Series 1s have door locks?

Cheers! Thumbs Up 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)
2004 Td5 90
2012 TDCi 110
1958 Series 2 88

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Gareth



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England 2003 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Oslo Blue

I think the diesel will be a rare find, especially with the original engine. 1966 S2a 109 aka Betsy
1968 S2a 88 aka Bob
2002 TD5 90 CSW
2013 D4 HSE Lux
2014 Jaaaag F Type 3.0 Supercharged.

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BaronDefenders



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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Santorini Black

I haven’t seen many anyway to be honest. There are a few Australian imports with diesel swaps in them. 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)
2004 Td5 90
2012 TDCi 110
1958 Series 2 88

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blackwolf



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Remember the diesel only appeared on the very final years of SI production (when the wheelbases increased to 88" and 109") so statistically there would always have been far fewer of them than the petrol. It was also a very low powered engine (acceptable by the standards of '57 but not for long) so of that small number, even fewer will have survived.

A genuine SI diesel would now be highly collectible but not especially pleasant to drive in modern traffic.

Post #868742 21st Nov 2020 9:51am
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seriesonenut



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Hi
Well I am fortunate to have one of each! To be honest a) finding an original diesel could take a very long time to turn up and b)you need to decide if you can live with it. We had our original engine rebuilt and that was not easy as parts supplies are hard to come by and our engine builder took months to track down what he needed. Personally I love it, feels like a mini truck, very happy upto 40 mph beyond that it will go faster but that's not where its most happy. My other is an 88'' 2wd but fitted with a 2.25 petrol. Built from a boatyard find back in the early 2000's by myself brother and late father. I know every nut an bolt in it and its a great vehicle, especially in the summer with everything removed for the open air experience!

You are quite right about prices. We brought ours early 2000's since then prices have gone mad, only last week I spotted another 4x2, a complete wreck for £8K. You could spend the same again in parts to get it to any sort of standard (chassis and engine alone). That said there are always a few out there, probably £10k will get you something useable. If you haven't join the series one land rover club to get the mag (good read) and members part of the website as ads do come up. If you find something you can always PM me for a chat if it helps.

speaking of series ones I'm just off to remove the prop shaft on the 88 to get into the handbrake, always something to do....


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1july by Richard Holmes, on Flickr


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3 by Richard Holmes, on Flickr 2010 XS USW
1957 Series One 88 diesel
1958 Series One 88 4x2

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BaronDefenders



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I wasn’t keen on the idea of a diesel to begin with but now I certainly won’t be holding out for one!

SeriesOneNut, really good shout regarding the Series 1 Club, I’ll have a look! Thanks for the offer for a chat as well, I may take you up on that as the search continues. From what I’ve seen, £8,500 gets you something that’ll be a decent project but is going to need time and money thrown at it. £10-15,000 opens up vehicles that are good to go but not so immaculate in terms of paintwork, which is what I’m after. 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)
2004 Td5 90
2012 TDCi 110
1958 Series 2 88

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defender9



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I have a couple of Series Ones, one is totally original another I have modified to suit my needs and to make it more useable in today’s traffic. I wouldn’t get too hung up on originality as that usually cost a lot of money. As mentioned join the Series One Club as there is a wealth of knowledge in the Club and as you have already found out there are a few of us on here who are long term Series One owners. Personally I would stick with Petrol but a genuine Series One Diesel is a rare thing but if you want to get anywhere a bit faster and without deafness coming to visit you then Petrol is a decent choice, also I would not be put off by Series Ones with later 2 1/4 or 2.5 petrol engines as they are good engines and many Series Ones have been converted due to the( these days) high cost of a Series One engine rebuild. Good luck with your search. 1985 factory V8 Ninety
1953 80in ex Australia
1955 Series 1 now owned by my son

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BaronDefenders



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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Santorini Black

Yes I’m not too fussed about 100% originality. Our Series 2 is totally original bar the exhaust manifold and it cost a kidney when it was unrestored, not running, and hiding under a shed! The 2.25 in the Series 2 is a lovely little motor so I wouldn’t have any problems owning a Series 1 with that unit.

I think diesel is off the cards now. I’ve got a Td5 to scratch the diesel itch and I’ve got enough tinnitus already! 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)
2004 Td5 90
2012 TDCi 110
1958 Series 2 88

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Slideywindows



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I think Seriesonenut and Defender9 know that I could bore for England on Series One 2 litre diesels, so I shall desist.


I have a 2.25, 5 main-bearing petrol engine in a Series One Station Wagon, and although not original to the vehicle, it is a lovely engine.

The only slight difficulty with the conversion is getting the air pipe to the high-mounted carburettor, under the SI bonnet.

If you find what you want, be sure to show us! Thumbs Up

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BaronDefenders



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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Santorini Black

I think it’ll take a while to find a vehicle that suits my needs but I’ll be sure to put some pictures up of it as and when! 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)
2004 Td5 90
2012 TDCi 110
1958 Series 2 88

Instagram: @BaronDefenders

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blackwolf



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My 86" has a 2286cc 3-bearing petrol engine in place of the original 1997cc (I have the original engine too). It is an easy and reversible conversion, the only challenge now being finding the bell-housing and a SI diesel radiator, although the petrol rad can be converted (the bottom pipe has to swap sides). As noted above the induction elbow is a tight fit under the bonnet.

With the 2.1/4 engine, overdrive, 7.50 tyres, and parabolic springs it is really very civilised.

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strang



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My 88 was originally a 2 litre diesel (at some point it had been converted to petrol, but when I bought it it had a 2 litre lump fitted). I had loads of problems with the engines, usually the wet liners would cause problems. I did manage to build up a collection of engines and spares, but sold most many years ago as I fitted a 200Tdi as I was going to lots of events in Europe and needed to keep up with everyone else!

I would reiterate joining the Series One club - and look on facebook, there is a great group called the Series One Brotherhood, as well as the S1 Club.

If you are looking for Series Ones to buy, have a look for Jon Holmes or Cross Channel Classics on Facebook. Jon is importing lots of used series ones from Oz, and has models in various conditions.

Other thoughts, consider a LWB (107 and 109) as these are often cheaper. Also consider buying a later series one, not an 80 as firstly they will be cheaper, but also spares are more available. Euro-Leafing to infinity and beyond.....

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BaronDefenders



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United Kingdom 2004 Defender 90 Td5 CSW Santorini Black

Thanks for the Facebook tips! I’ve gone on and found those pages, so I’ll have a look through those. I’ll also look into Cross Channel Classics and see what they have on offer.

I wouldn’t be against an LWB actually. When we found our Series 2, there was also an LWB Series 1 laid up in a shed with only 4,600 miles. I wish we’d had the sense to buy it at the time! 2002 Td5 90 (SOLD)
2008 Freelander 2 (SOLD)
2004 Td5 90
2012 TDCi 110
1958 Series 2 88

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defender9



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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

Interesting to see the amount of LWB Series Ones for sale from various importers of ex Australian and New Zealand vehicles but unsurprising as they were probably the vehicle of choice in the 50s due to their larger carrying capacity. Many of these have had a pretty hard life on farms however in a lot of cases they have very good chassis and bulkheads so a good base for a rebuild or recommission. Jon Holmes does seem to find some quite nice Series Ones which appear quite original. 1985 factory V8 Ninety
1953 80in ex Australia
1955 Series 1 now owned by my son

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