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nogani



Member Since: 20 Oct 2020
Location: Southtyrol - Alto Adige
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Italy 
Wrangler Adventure AT for winter use???
Hello everybody!
I live in Northern-Italy in the Alps and now I do not know if I can dare to use my Goodyear AT Wrangler Adventure tyres (which have the M+S sign but the producer declares on his homepage to be sommer-tyres) also in the winter and on snow (size 255/65/R19 114H)?
I am not referring to legal point of view (thats OK) but to the practical.
The problem is that I cannot find specific winter-tyres. Neither for 18" rims (255/70/R18 114H) nor for my 19" rims.
Do you have made experience with the mentioned Wrangler Adventure in the winter and on snow?
Or - if you do so - what kind of winter tyres are you using on the 2020 Defender?
THX for your help!
Post #867918 17th Nov 2020 5:47pm
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umbertob



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Ciao,

I don't have that problem thankfully, living in Southern California. The 19" size tires were literally "made up" by Land Rover for the new Defender so, outside of the handful of OEM tires available at launch, there is literally nothing available in the aftermarket yet, including good A/Ts and winters. I reckon the tire industry will catch up eventually if the Defender becomes popular enough.

I guess you could downsize just a hair in the meantime, there are several good choices of winter tires if you go a notch smaller, such as 255/60R19 instead of the stock 255/65R19 size, at least here in North America: Michelin, Bridgestone, Yokohama all make severe snow rated, XL tires in that size, and all you lose is about 1/2" of sidewall. 2020 NAS Defender 110 HSE 5-seater / Silver / Khaki / Black Pack / Black Roof / Satin Film / Cold Pack / Off-Road Pack / Advanced OR Pack / Comfort + Convenience Pack / Sirius + HD radio / HUD / Meridian Surround
Post #868104 18th Nov 2020 1:49pm
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nogani



Member Since: 20 Oct 2020
Location: Southtyrol - Alto Adige
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Ciao!

thank you for your answer.
The problem is that in Italy I am allowed to mount only these tire-sizes:
255/65 R19
255/70 R18
or another size for 20" rims which I'm not interested in.
That's the reason why for the moment, as you say, the range is very small.
I'm also thinking on BF Goodrich ALL TERRAIN T/A KO2 in size 255/65 R18. They should be also quite good for winter use.

Grazie e un caro saluto
Post #868115 18th Nov 2020 2:51pm
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camelman



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Need to be aware the KO2 speed rating (R=170kmh) is less than the top speed of your vehicle...
Post #868133 18th Nov 2020 4:31pm
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nogani



Member Since: 20 Oct 2020
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According to the BF Goodrich homepage the speed-index of this tyre is S (180 km/h) and in fact I must mount tyres with speed-index H (210 km/h) although the top speed of the Defender 240hp is 185 km/h... so that's a real problem with the KO2's, indeed.
Post #868141 18th Nov 2020 4:45pm
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DSL



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Looks like Conti full winters are available in the right size, as in this eBay ad. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Orig...890.l49292


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I’ve just put these on my Karoq and they don’t feel any different from the “summer” tyres fitted at the factory. No experience in the snow as yet but SWMBO has used winter Contis on her car for 9 winters and they have been superb on ice and snow. Thumbs Up

PS Just seen the price of these. Ouch!! Shocked Shocked https://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/Contine.../255-65-19
Post #868143 18th Nov 2020 4:56pm
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Tim in Scotland



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Contis are never cheap though. I had to replace a 20” CrossContact on my 1st Evoque back in 2011 and even then it set me back >£400, made me thankful I had taken the dealership wheel and tyre insurance as the insurer paid up without hesitation after I sent the photos in. I’ve taken out W&T insurance on every car since but never had to claim again. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed!
Post #868159 18th Nov 2020 7:05pm
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Digger2000



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nogani wrote:
Ciao!

thank you for your answer.
The problem is that in Italy I am allowed to mount only these tire-sizes:
255/65 R19
255/70 R18
or another size for 20" rims which I'm not interested in.
That's the reason why for the moment, as you say, the range is very small.
I'm also thinking on BF Goodrich ALL TERRAIN T/A KO2 in size 255/65 R18. They should be also quite good for winter use.

Grazie e un caro saluto


You need a 255/70/R18
Post #868294 19th Nov 2020 3:06pm
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GreenMonster



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The Adventures will not be any better, maybe worse, than any non three peak rated all season tire. Due to lack of choices for the 19’s, I got some 20” wheels off eBay and bought some Pirelli winters for my Defender. May switch to Nokian if they ever come out with new sizes, but for now will see how the Pirelli’s do in the next storm. I don’t know Italian laws where you are, but the Adventures wouldn’t qualify for use in most of the Nordic countries where snowflake rated tires are required. Frankly, I wouldn’t trust a two ton truck on snow without at least a three peak rated tire.
Post #875993 3rd Jan 2021 4:36am
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nogani



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Now I mounted BfG All Terrain KO2 LT255/70 R18 114/117S (which are three mountain/snowflake rated) on my steel rims. They work great on snow 👍
Post #876004 3rd Jan 2021 10:19am
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Digger2000



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Have you got any more photos of your steel wheels with this tyre setup please?
Post #876031 3rd Jan 2021 1:12pm
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hoodisland



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Hi Nogani,

Quick question: what is the height of your garage?
Thanks
Post #876247 4th Jan 2021 6:35pm
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nogani



Member Since: 20 Oct 2020
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Digger2000 wrote:
Have you got any more photos of your steel wheels with this tyre setup please?


Here are some pictures:



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Post #876254 4th Jan 2021 6:52pm
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nogani



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hoodisland wrote:
Hi Nogani,

Quick question: what is the height of your garage?
Thanks


Hi, my garage height is 2,20m.
I can enter without problems with the original Expedition roof rack (part of the Explorer Pack) mounted on the car. Not of course if it fits also the rooftop tent.
Now the roof rack is removed.
Post #876260 4th Jan 2021 6:59pm
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hoodisland



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Well noted. Thanks for your feedback
Post #876318 4th Jan 2021 10:14pm
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