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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 985   
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I agree wholeheartedly.
Why are we assuming that updates to vehicle software are no more likely to cause problems that updates to software in our computers? Worse still, what happens when your vehicle's software is considered obsolete? As if by magic: https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic75500.html |
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17th Nov 2020 10:14am |
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| markb110 Member Since: 22 May 2010 Location: Guildford Posts: 2520  
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Since last july when my wife’s Velar had the software updated at the service to allow OTA updates there has been two updates.
Both for mapping. No issues. A modern phone will have App updates almost weekly so nothing to be concerned about. If you feel that it has not performed as it should then take it to the dealer, it will be under warrantee. The unanswered question is what happens when it is in the hands of a third or fourth owner when the update service is no longer available. Will it be like phones ie forcing the owner to get a newer version..... For the new owner it is not worth losing sleep over, and if you think about it OTA could allow monthly updates, whereas a dealer update at the time of a service is every two years (for a modern LR). The average new car is kept for three / four years. That’s one perhaps two updates. A dealer update can take much longer if there are multiple updates to do as well, it all takes time, so what would you say is more convenient to the consumer .. |
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17th Nov 2020 11:17am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3335 
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I agree with markb110. Remote updates are the way everything is going so why would cars be any different? I can see no reason to stress about them.
Now, AMBxx has a very fair comment, like all things 'computerised' they will have a shelf life and at some point JLR (or any other manufacturer) will stop their support as the technology ages. See Windows XP and Windows 7 for details! Like the computer operating systems, I expect the cars will run adequately without intervention and updates. Whether the technology remains secure, would be another question. But, what would stop the manufacturers sending updates which made the car 'less responsive'? In the same way we were told that Apple slowed the older iPhones down a few years back. Apple are in the business of selling Phones, car manufactures want to sell Cars. It's a sure fire way of getting you to change if you daily runner has the blue screen of death on a regular basis. Not that I am implying that this is what motor manufacturers would do  |
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17th Nov 2020 1:05pm |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 985
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Didn't Tesla turn off the seat heating for the seats in the back?
Other manufacturers are looking at turning stuff on and off remotely. Depends if you want to 'own' the vehicle or just rent/lease it. |
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17th Nov 2020 4:11pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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I hope JLR aren't using the same type of memory that Tesla started with "which has a finite number of write cycles, and secondly they left on excessive data logging that wrote to this memory. As a result the memory is constantly being over written and as a result will eventually hit the write limit and fail."
https://tesla-info.com/blog/tesla-mcu1-emmc-failure.php |
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18th Nov 2020 10:39am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750 
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They did foe Model3 and Model Y and then they asked for £300 to switch it back on! They also sent out Lane Keep Assist to S and X owners without telling them and folks thought that they a]had a defect. James May and Transport Minister Grant Shapps were both reported in last Sunday’s Sunday Times complaining about both items! Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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18th Nov 2020 10:56am |
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| AMBxx Member Since: 24 Jul 2016 Location: York Posts: 985
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All it would take to fix that would be to have swappable SD cards or SSD drives. I wonder how much LR would charge for a £50 SSD? |
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18th Nov 2020 11:07am |
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| Rashers Member Since: 21 Jun 2015 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3335
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There is no excuse for this as memory is as cheap as chips these days.
This reminds me of a Vauxhall Astra I had 20 odd years ago. It would run like a dog and the engine light would illuminate. Turning the car on and off would reset the issue. It was random and a pain in the bum. The main dealers told me there were no faults to read when I took it in as it could only remember codes from the last twenty turns of the ignition key. I was a service engineer. My car was turned on and off twenty times in a morning! When I phoned to book it in, they would give me a date about ten days time. Absolutely useless! But then that was twenty years ago. On a £50000 car these days, you would expect something with more than a 1.44MB floppy disk? Abort, retry, fail? As I said earlier, the cynical one's among you may think that the manufacturers may start sending out 'less useful' code as your car gets older to remind you to get a new one? From what I have heard on the news today, the environmentalists may try and turn your petrol / diesel car off in ten years time to make you buy an EV  |
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18th Nov 2020 11:33am |
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