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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2724  
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0-60 in 5.2 sec isn’t to be sniffed at in a 2.5 tonne 4x4 either! Cheers, David
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12th Oct 2020 9:42pm |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750 
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Don’t expect anywhere near those figures as they are WLTP theoretical ranges - maybe 22 miles in the Defender in the summer and 16 miles in the winter. When RRS PHEV was launched it was claimed it did 31 miles on electric only. The Mini Countryman PHEV I sold to buy the Defender had 7.3kwh battery and had an official range of 26 miles - I was getting 21 on a warm summer day in Scotland but 12-14 miles on a cold frosty day in winter. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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12th Oct 2020 9:49pm |
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| The_hog Member Since: 02 Aug 2020 Location: Reykjavik Posts: 36 
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I'm not relying on WLTP theoretical ranges Tim.
I'm deducting my numbers from watching several reviews on RR and RRS with the P400e drive train. Based on those tests, it i my finding, the Defender P400e will deliver between 30 and 40 km of pure electric driving. And that is totally fine with me. As a special icing on the cake, I am (and all ready have) able to order a fully specked HSE X-dynamic for the price of the D240S I already had on order. This is because of special rebates on cars with low emissions. Only downside is a 10 weeks extension on delivery, (beginning of February in stead of late November). Another thing is, Here in Iceland electricity is rather cheap. KWH is 0,035 GBP. Exiting times. |
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13th Oct 2020 12:15am |
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| Tim in Scotland Member Since: 23 May 2007 Location: The Land that time forgot Posts: 3750
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When I ran the Mini my electricity was a flat fee of £20 a year regardless of how much charging on public chargers I did, that’s here in Scotland, if I travelled south the I would have to pay per kWH I recharged at. People sniff at PHEVs but I would have another even with their short range as I saved hugely on the fuel cost. Around 90% of my journeys could be made in pure electric mode from home to a public charger in town then park for free on a charger and leave the car charging while I went shopping or whatever and come back to a fully charged battery as the Mini took only 3 hours on a charger - its BMW software though restricted the charging rate to protect the battery.
Unfortunately here we have to pay more to buy a PHEV than to buy an ICE powered car and the tax advantage has been removed too because too many business users were never charging them up and were just running in ICE mode........... Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come 2020 D240 1st Edition in Pangea Green with Acorn interior. Now gone - old faithful, no mechanical issues whatsoever ever but the leaks and rattles all over the place won’t be missed! |
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13th Oct 2020 6:21am |
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| Orchard Member Since: 07 May 2015 Location: Usually walking the dog Posts: 258 |
I think the focus on pure EV range is missing the point a bit, personally I hardly ever do that. On my RRS if I push the EV button, the engine still cuts in on steep hills, or at high speed. The key for me is how infrequently I need to put petrol in if I do mostly short journey of up to 30miles. I often see over 75mpg on a return trip of c.20 miles and the battery is about done. If I lock in EV mode and really try to avoid hills or speeds of 50mph, I can just get the same trip on EV alone. Given the larger battery, but draggier Defender I'd expect the it to do a bit better than the RRS.
As always the 'economy' depends how you drive  2015 90 XS SW Bowler
1998 TD5 CSW |
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13th Oct 2020 9:55am |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2724
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Exactly, to me it’s about a couple of main factors:
1. Near-zero cost very local journeys (living in London, probably half my journeys are genuinely less than 10mi round trip) 2. Significant saving on medium length journeys 3. Increased drivability (more power, no clunky stop-start, electric silence at slow speeds) 4. “On paper” benefits eg. Reduced tax etc. I accept that longer journeys and on motorways the benefits are negligible, and it very much isn’t a pure EV Each to their own dependent on what you need! Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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13th Oct 2020 11:38am |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2724
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Anyone know anything about the ‘reduced load space’ in the PHEV?
I know the rearmost area is raised slightly as the battery is underneath the floor, but I also spotted on the configurator that if you spec a PHEV the shot of the inside rear has the seats only folded down part way... Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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19th Nov 2020 1:03am |
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| Orchard Member Since: 07 May 2015 Location: Usually walking the dog Posts: 258 |
Boot floor is about 50mm higher than in 'non-PHEV' and the rear seats don't fold fully flat - butI'm pretty sure that's the same in all RRS. 2015 90 XS SW Bowler
1998 TD5 CSW |
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19th Nov 2020 11:22am |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2724
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Thanks - but are you referring to the Range Rover / RRS here? Or are you saying that you know the rear seats don’t fold flat in the Defender PHEV? Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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19th Nov 2020 3:02pm |
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| Orchard Member Since: 07 May 2015 Location: Usually walking the dog Posts: 258 |
Sorry, I was referring to the RRS. 2015 90 XS SW Bowler
1998 TD5 CSW |
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19th Nov 2020 3:03pm |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2724
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Gotcha - thanks!
Yes I’ve seen the inside of a P400e Range Rover but obviously haven’t seen a P400e Defender (despite having one on order!) - I guess none really exist yet so probably just have to wait and see. Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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19th Nov 2020 3:05pm |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2724
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Interesting...
Here’s the picture from the configurator when I ordered the vehicle back in September (p400e, seats flat):  Click image to enlarge And now if you do the same it looks like this: Click image to enlarge But it also looks exactly the same with the other engine choices... Maybe just a red herring! Cheers, David Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8. |
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19th Nov 2020 3:10pm |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240 
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From reading comments on here, whether the seats fold flat or not depends on whether it's a five or seven seater. With the former they do and the latter they don't. Something to do with the different second row seat mechanism to provide access to the third row. Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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19th Nov 2020 3:22pm |
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| Cheshire110 Member Since: 26 Jul 2013 Location: Cheshire/London Posts: 2724
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Yeah hopefully it’s just something to do with the way they’ve computer generated these interior views... Cheers, David
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19th Nov 2020 3:28pm |
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