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markb110



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The carbon fibre bike rack specially built For the rear hatch of the F Pace costs £80,000.

That’s probably why they were never added to the accessory options Laughing
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One of the worlds bigger producers of fossil fuels and petro-chemicals and now a maker of a large heavy fuel inefficient SUV sponsoring non-fossil fuelled sports (sailing and cycling) seems like a lot of “greenwashing” to me. Pangea Green D250 90 HSE with Air Suspension, Off-road Pack, Towing Pack, Black Contrast roof , rear recovery eyes, Front bash plate, Classic flaps all round, extended wheel arch kit and a few bits from PowerfulUK Expel Clear Gloss PPF to come
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Jim Ratcliffe, a bloke with a shed load of money to burn!!

Not sure why he has taken Ineos into major sponsorship?

Land Rover sponsorship would try to make the punter buy a different brand of car, Sky sponsorship would attempt to get the punter to take premium television services or maybe mobile, internet or all of the above. I can even understand a chemical company like ICI as they make paint which is a consumer product but Ineos? Can't remember the last bulk delivery of Chlorine I got Laughing

Maybe you are correct Tim, maybe this is trying to show the friendly face of the petrochemical industry. Surely it can't all be about the Grenadier and raising the profile of the Company before it goes into production? Are these vanity projects? perhaps? Is it Tax efficient - probably!

If Coca Cola and McDonalds are able to sponsor the Olympics - being the two of the largest producers of 'junk' food products in the world sponsoring elite athletes - Ineos sponsoring low carbon sports is no problem.

They are also a sponsor of Mercedes F1 I believe? (I don't follow F1 much these days just saw their sticker on one of the cars this weekend)
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Tim in Scotland wrote:
One of the worlds bigger producers of fossil fuels and petro-chemicals and now a maker of a large heavy fuel inefficient SUV sponsoring non-fossil fuelled sports (sailing and cycling) seems like a lot of “greenwashing” to me.


Don’t be fooled

Each team has two chase cars on the road, at least two further cars or vans at the feed stations, a coach, a truck. The race organisers will have a lead car or two, police escort, police out riders, tv motorcycles, stills camera motorcycles, doctors cars, ambulance, at least four helicopters, independent race support motorcycles ( wheels, feed etc), cars for sponsors VIPs to drink champagne from. Lorries for the barriers and sponsors inflatables, tv and press trucks and vehicles.

And before all of that at least 30 mins worth of sponsors vehicles handing out freebies ahead of the race

Oops, forgot air travel for personnel and kit.

I love cycle racing of all types, even down to the Brompton racing in London.....but GREEN.........not quite is putting it politely at pro level Whistle

Quick edit

Many of the top pro teams will be at multiple races at the same time, so times the above by two or three especially as they are trying to cram the races in at present to catch up with the race calendar....
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Ineos sponsorship is definitely an attempt at greenwashing. The grand tours are in no way carbon friendly for the reasons you mention but the perception is green because it attracts so many to a carbon friendly pastime/mode of transport. I think it's a bit sleezy but that is the nature of pro cycling. Sponsors range from human rights abusers to banks and petro chemical companies. One year Dave Brailsford's team is sponsored by SKY, ocean conservation, warning of the dangers of plastic. Then the season after they are funded by one of the worlds biggest plastic producers who are literally destroying the planet.

I'll still be cheering on G and Froomy though! WARNING.
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