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Supacat



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Not forgetting this stuff is used in airbags as a propellant; and there's hardly a week goes by without a recall by one manufacturer or another. This week's recall:

Alert number: A12/01119/20
Category: Motor vehicles
Product: Passenger car
Brand: Charade
Name: Daihatsu
Type / number of model: Unknown
Company recall code: WB19001
Production dates: The affected vehicles were manufactured between March and July 2011.
Counterfeit: UNKNOWN
Risk type: Injuries

The ammonium nitrate propellant used in the airbag inflator may experience a material alteration over time due to degradation occurring after prolonged exposure to high absolute humidity, high temperatures and high-temperature cycling. / In the event of an airbag being deployed, it may deploy too slowly or the excessive internal pressure may cause the inflator body to rupture and metal fragments may pass through the cushion material causing injury to the occupants. /

Measures taken by economic operators: Recall of the product from end users (By: Distributor)

Description: Vehicles are equipped with front passenger air bag inflators which contain a non-desiccated, phase stabilized ammonium nitrate propellant.
Country of origin: Japan
Alert submitted by: Malta
Type of alert: Serious

https://ec.europa.eu/consumers/consumers_s...amp;lng=en
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GREENI wrote:
Apparently there’s a place in Australia called Newcastle, with a storage of this stuff that makes Beirut look tiny...
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/pkyxmv/...-stockpile


That kind of publicity is not going to do the neighborhoods house prices a lot of good is it?

It's widely used and I often see trucks full of this stuff in polybags floating around the roads. Albeit they are not carrying 2700 tonnes, it makes you wonder what the consequences of a road accident would be, if a fire started? The farms round my way sometimes have barns full of this stuff at certain times of the year.
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supacat wrote:
... excessive internal pressure may cause the inflator body to rupture and metal fragments may pass through the cushion material ...


That is some "safety feature"! I know that I have several times on this forum advocated that a sharp spike in place of the driver's airbag would dramatically improve road safety, but I didn't realise that manufacturers had in a manner of speaking adopted my suggestion.

Perhaps the classic Defender isn't as unsafe as people make out.
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I found this article informative on the background of the ship and the murky world of flags of convenience :

https://asia.nikkei.com/Opinion/Beirut-exp...ping-rules
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Rashers wrote:
Good grief. That sounds horrible stuff.

This is the same stuff that we see in those white poly bags used by farmers for nitrogen spreading on the land?

I believe these poly bags were banned in Northern Ireland at one point. Not sure if the restrictions were ever lifted? Quite easy to make a blast bomb with a poly bag.

Tim, is the agricultural fertiliser the product which they have decreased levels in?

They also poor this stuff into the holes with explosives to make the bang bigger (technical term) when blasting rock

Even Israel has offered humanitarian help. Lots of innocent people involved who were totally blameless for this and if they are lucky enough to have survived, have very little left


AN fertilizer over a certain % concentration was banned. We, the Army had a bit of kit that could test/sample it and prove/disprove the concentration. I know when I served there, I was on a specialist team and we didn't have the kit then. And that was late 90's, but thats not to say it wasn't available if we requested it 110 D250 SE HT
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AN intended for fertilizer also usually has different shaped prills, but I forget if they are more or less aerated. AN is not easy to set off as an explosive and is technically classified as a blasting agent (i.e., requires some form of initiator) and not an explosive.

All of which is no comfort at all to the poor folk of Beirut.

The saga of the ship, as told in the link above, is very depressing.
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