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V8Smith

Member Since: 18 Apr 2017
Location: Cuckfield
Posts: 22

Changing rear fold out seats to bench seats

Hi, Just wondering how easy it is to change the standard fold down rear seats to a fixed bench seats each side? We have a 2009 Puma car which has the standard 7 seat config with fold down full size seats in the back. Are there holes already there you can use to attach them or is there modification required? same questions for attaching seat belts for the bench seats.

Apologies if this is a daft question, we have only just got the car

2nd May 2017 9:53pm

Justtellme

Member Since: 23 Nov 2015
Location: Ottawa
Posts: 305

I think there are some regulations which outlawed bench seats around the introduction of the fold out seats. Something about all seats must be forward facing? Not sure if you can legally retrofit bench seats in a newer car. I'm not an expert on U.K. Rules though.
Patrick

6th May 2017 8:15am

Rallymental

Member Since: 17 Aug 2015
Location: The Garden of England
Posts: 468

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

I think justtellme is right, the reason the forward facing seats were fitted was because the law changed The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results.
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6th May 2017 8:48am

grafty99

Member Since: 15 Aug 2012
Location: North Devon
Posts: 4784

I believe side facing bench seats are illegal post 2007 2002 90 Td5 Station Wagon
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6th May 2017 8:53am

JAY BOY

Member Since: 04 May 2010
Location: Not here
Posts: 1706

6th May 2017 9:30am

zsd-puma

Member Since: 09 Aug 2016
Location: Kent
Posts: 2720

2010 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Santorini Black

Like many things it's illegal but you'll still pass an MOT with them (the seatbelts wont even be tested!) and you're highly unlikely to have any trouble from the Police for it.

Where you might have an issue is with your insurance, you'll have to declare it as a modification. However when it comes to a claim they 'may' refuse to pay out on the basis they were illegal.

As far as actually fitting them goes, it's easy. They were hardly complex bits of kit and just bolt to the inside of the tub on top of the car. On a post 2007 car with the stepped wheel arches you may need to make up some little feet for the seats to fill in the step, but a bit of wood would do that.

6th May 2017 12:12pm

sako243

Member Since: 08 Jul 2014
Location: Wales
Posts: 1186

1994 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Alpine White

At least on my 300Tdi 110 CSW they don't quite just bolt through the floor - there's a large reinforcing bar that provides a fixing for the seat belts. This bolts through the floor to spreader plates underneath but it also bolts through the C pillar as well.

Ironically I've got all the bits if someone's interested as I've just removed them from my 110 and repaired the corrosion holes they caused. Ed
82 Hotspur Sandringham 6x6
95 Defender 110 300Tdi

8th May 2017 4:05pm

Tony2008

Member Since: 02 Jan 2020
Location: LIVERPOOL
Posts: 2

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Keswick Green

Anyone do this ? Help please

2nd Jan 2020 7:19pm

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