Caterham wrote:

and this one makes my blood boil.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-o...rash-death

a real tragic sequence of events clearly brought about by some moron stopping on the white zig zags !!!

I feel really sorry and sick for the truck driver and toddlers parents. the car driver should be up for manslaughter in my opinion.

90 Dreamer wrote:

Amazing how many people seem to have no comprehension of Zig-Zags, box junctions, etc..........

WTF they teach prior to testing i have no idea.....

blackwolf wrote:

Caterham wrote:

and this one makes my blood boil.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-o...rash-death

a real tragic sequence of events clearly brought about by some moron stopping on the white zig zags !!!

I feel really sorry and sick for the truck driver and toddlers parents. the car driver should be up for manslaughter in my opinion.

I have to say that I agree with you on this one. The primary cause of this were the two morons who parked on the far side of the crossing on the zigzags (there's one on each side of the road), if they hadn't then the toddler would unquestionably not have been killed, and I hope both drivers are haunted for the rest of their lives at what they caused. Sadly I imagine that by now they are convinced they were not in any way responsible, and as far as I know neither was charged with any offences.
does anyone know what penalty the driver received for this?
I have a lot of sympathy with the lorry driver, who stopped at a green light for traffic and failed to notice that it had changed when he pulled away. A mistake and careless, but so easy to do. I know that crossing well and I doubt that from his position he could see the family on the crossing whether or not he looked. He should have seen the red aspect though, and he is paying a high price for a moment's carelessness.

Finally I have to question the judgement of the parent in being utterly oblivious to the risk she took in crossing without making sure that the lorry driver was really stopped and aware of circumstances, it shows, in my opinion, a staggering lack of awareness of risk and one which is sadly far too common nowadays.

Two other aspects of this tragic incident struck me as abhorrent at the time. One was the manner in which supporters of the victim's family hijacked the media representation in a manner that made me wonder if they had engaged professional counsel, and the second was the way that the fact that the lorry driver was a convicted murderer released on licence was made significant, which it wasn't in the slightest.

Ultimately four people could have prevented this tragedy. The first two being the two selfish morons who parked on the zigzags, the third being the lorry driver, who should have been more careful, and the fourth the parent, who should also have been more careful. As is only too common, the only true innocent is the toddler victim.

Caterham wrote:

blackwolf wrote:

Caterham wrote:

and this one makes my blood boil.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-o...rash-death

a real tragic sequence of events clearly brought about by some moron stopping on the white zig zags !!!

I feel really sorry and sick for the truck driver and toddlers parents. the car driver should be up for manslaughter in my opinion.

I have to say that I agree with you on this one. The primary cause of this were the two morons who parked on the far side of the crossing on the zigzags (there's one on each side of the road), if they hadn't then the toddler would unquestionably not have been killed, and I hope both drivers are haunted for the rest of their lives at what they caused. Sadly I imagine that by now they are convinced they were not in any way responsible, and as far as I know neither was charged with any offences.
does anyone know what penalty the driver received for this?
I have a lot of sympathy with the lorry driver, who stopped at a green light for traffic and failed to notice that it had changed when he pulled away. A mistake and careless, but so easy to do. I know that crossing well and I doubt that from his position he could see the family on the crossing whether or not he looked. He should have seen the red aspect though, and he is paying a high price for a moment's carelessness.

Finally I have to question the judgement of the parent in being utterly oblivious to the risk she took in crossing without making sure that the lorry driver was really stopped and aware of circumstances, it shows, in my opinion, a staggering lack of awareness of risk and one which is sadly far too common nowadays.

Two other aspects of this tragic incident struck me as abhorrent at the time. One was the manner in which supporters of the victim's family hijacked the media representation in a manner that made me wonder if they had engaged professional counsel, and the second was the way that the fact that the lorry driver was a convicted murderer released on licence was made significant, which it wasn't in the slightest.

Ultimately four people could have prevented this tragedy. The first two being the two selfish morons who parked on the zigzags, the third being the lorry driver, who should have been more careful, and the fourth the parent, who should also have been more careful. As is only too common, the only true innocent is the toddler victim.

looking at the clip again the truck driver appears to have stopped at a sensible position relative to the car on the zig zags which unfortunately is perhaps a little too far forward to see the traffic lights and hence how easily the tragic events unfolded.
The truck was clearly in that precarious position before the toddler / parents got to the traffic lights. with an ounce of common you'd think the parent would have made eye contact with driver before crossing - as said very said and I sincerely hope (but doubt) the car driver was also suitably penalised?

does anyone know what penalty the truck driver received?