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Phid



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Led spotlights
I am fitting some in bumper LED round spot / driving lights. My defender (XS) had spots on originally and wiring remains. When I press the switch it does not illuminate - is this because there is nothing wired up currently? I’m trying to locate the fuse and relay but cannot identify it in the fuse box under the steering wheel. Is it located elsewhere?

Also the LED lights come with a ‘vinstar’ box - I assume this is an adaptor of some kind and I need this - ie I can’t wire the spots straight to the original connector blocks?

Any help much appreciated
Post #737237 28th Oct 2018 4:38pm
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landy andy



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Are they wired up so that they only worked when on main beam. So you need switch to be in the on position and to be in main beam mode?

My relay, main dealer fitted, it in battery box, under passenger seat.

Andy.
Post #737244 28th Oct 2018 5:07pm
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Phid



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Thanks Andy
I did try with the main headlights on and off.
I will have a look under the passenger seat in case mine is the same.
Post #737249 28th Oct 2018 5:28pm
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Phid



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Mine is the same Andy - fuse and relay next to the battery.
Fuse is ok.
Should the relay click when switch is pressed - mine doesn’t.
I wonder if light on switch does not illuminate just because there are no lights attached and circuit is therefore broken?
If I plug circuit tester into spot light socket I’m getting no reading.

Next job is to see if switch is actually connected unless anyone has any ideas?
Post #737254 28th Oct 2018 5:59pm
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Devon-Rover



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I assume that you have a factory fit driving lamp loom.

So with the button pressed then when on main beam the warning LED should light and you'll hear the Relay click as it makes contact. It will do this regardless of if there is lights connected or not.

If it doesn't then you will have to trace to see that is the relay working and the earth to the wiring dash side is fine all the way from the switch to where ever it was installed to take a main beam feed.

The fused part is the main feed that goes to the lights so whilst the lights won't work the relay will even if it is blown. Also can be found on Fb, Ytube, Insta & Twitter @4WDSouthwest
Post #737256 28th Oct 2018 6:34pm
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Phid



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Thanks Devon

Sorted it - it needs to be on full / high beam as you say. I want the spots to work independent of high beam (I know that’s not legally correct). Should I disconnect the high beam at the relay and replace with a live?
Post #737258 28th Oct 2018 6:45pm
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landy andy



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just been and checked mine for you.

I have fuse installed before supply to relay. If you have switch pressed in and just flash main beam relay clicks, EVEN WITH FUSE REMOVED. But with fused the warning light on the switch does NOT function.

This is all tested, as yours, with no lights wired in.

Any questions just ask, but I understand yours could be wired differently.

Andy.
Post #737260 28th Oct 2018 6:46pm
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Phid



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Thanks Andy. It was the high beam I was missing. Doh!
Post #737261 28th Oct 2018 6:48pm
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landy andy



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Ahhh too late, was busy in the battery box.

You can just rewire the supply to the switch. Changing it from main beam live to an ignition live. This is how I’ve previously done it with roof lights.

Andy.
Post #737262 28th Oct 2018 6:49pm
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landy andy



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What spot lights are you going for?
Post #737263 28th Oct 2018 6:51pm
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Phid



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I’ve gone for these - seem good quality and have a bezel to make finish look decent.
https://www.auto-lighting.co.uk/product-en...Q-V11.html

I assume I need the transformer (?) box between the spots and the wiring circuit?
Post #737266 28th Oct 2018 6:56pm
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VVS210



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Those are daytime running lights... not spotlights?!
Post #737280 28th Oct 2018 7:51pm
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Phid



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You can use them as you wish. Maybe not as bright as spotlights but I just want extra lighting more for cosmetic reasons. Thanks
Post #737284 28th Oct 2018 8:06pm
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leeds



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Phid, it is not legal to use a vehicle obligatory light for any other purpose then what it was approved for.

So a DRL can only be legally used as a DRL. It can not legally be used as a spot light or what is legally referred to as an optional headlight.

DRL's are normally configured and wired so that they either dim down and becomes side lights or go out completely when dip and main beam are on.

Now reading that link it makes some rather interesting claims.

Claimed to be approved to UNECE regulation 87.

The markings on the lens are E4 and "00RL" which is 'interesting'

Now the correct markings would read E4 (Italy) RL (light function code for a DRL) and 001234 . where 00 shows it is the original amendment and 1234 is the actual approval number


Now power is 8 watts but only 2 x 1 watt goes as light output. An efficiency of 25%??

Reflectors improve brightness by up to 200%. Really?

Now light output is 1,000 lumens from 2 watts or 500 lumens per watt. Now it is only recently that Cree has beaten the 300 lumens/watt so how come they are at 500 lumen/watt.

100% waterproof but no IP rating?

Quote:


Max. temperature of the lamp-cover≤60°(based on the ambient temperature of 20°C)



So up to 40C above ambient temperature? Now from their figures these lights are inefficient there will be no snow build up on those DRLs. Now LED headlights can suffer from snow build up.


Yes I am sceptical about the claims on those DRL's



Brendan
Post #737301 28th Oct 2018 9:31pm
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Phid



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I can install as DRL’s - the only additional wiring will be routing an additional wire from the DRL switch/driver to (I assume) the headlight live supply.

As to the rest of your observations Brendan, you clearly know way more than me about vehicle lighting but your cynicism is clear.
Post #737444 29th Oct 2018 8:30pm
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