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Ayrshirelandy



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[For Sale] LED Headlamps with DRL - NOW SOLD

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LED Headlights with DRL's. They were fitted to my Defender for around 12 months. Cost £250 and so a bargain at £100 plus postage. Look fab - see photos.

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 2015 Defender 110 XS Utility Santorini Black, sawtooth alloys, steps and so much more...........


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Post #706506 10th May 2018 10:17pm
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churchy



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2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Java Black
PM'D!
Post #706536 11th May 2018 9:22am
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Ayrshirelandy



Member Since: 28 Mar 2015
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BUMP 2015 Defender 110 XS Utility Santorini Black, sawtooth alloys, steps and so much more...........
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
Afraid these are not road legal. DOT SAE marking plus the E3 marking on one and the same headlight just cannot be.
DOT compliant lights are for USA, and those lights require a totally different light pattern than the UN ECE requirements. So it is either or but not both on the same headlight. Just a little warning that these here seem for offroad use only.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
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Post #706908 13th May 2018 3:47pm
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steveyorks



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Have you been talking to Brendan?
Post #706947 13th May 2018 7:16pm
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
No, but agree that Brendan knows that stuff like no one else. I’m just pointing this out to people who may not be aware of this. Better safe than sorry.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw


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Post #706970 13th May 2018 8:45pm
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Ayrshirelandy



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Thanks for your post, however these were fitted when my Defender was 2 years old by the Land Rover dealership I purchsded my Defender from new, and it just passed its first MOT with these lights and so they are clearly for road use, MOT standard and perfectly legal or the vehicle would not have passed the MOT. I have also checked with a local garage this afternoon and they have said the same. 2015 Defender 110 XS Utility Santorini Black, sawtooth alloys, steps and so much more...........
Post #706972 13th May 2018 8:50pm
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
Well, I took another look at the pictures where your lights are showing the entire surface of the lens. Apart from the fact that DOT plus E3 marking are a mismatch together on a light, any light with a real European approval will have more approval related coding on its lens. See none of that here, so afraid I stick to my earlier statement.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw
Post #706982 13th May 2018 9:15pm
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alwoodley72



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England 2008 Defender 130 Puma 2.4 HCPU Alaska White
Perhaps Eric it would have been more gentlemanly to point this out in a pm to the vendor, rather than messing up his for sale ad..
Just saying

Cheers. Alex 98 300 tdi 90 project
88 200tdi project soft top
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Post #706989 13th May 2018 9:47pm
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Ayrshirelandy



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Thanks Alex Thumbs Up 2015 Defender 110 XS Utility Santorini Black, sawtooth alloys, steps and so much more...........
Post #706991 13th May 2018 9:53pm
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leeds



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I am sorry Ayrshirelandy, I did not want to post on your sales thread but those lights are most definitely not road legal.

The fact that your vehicle has passed an MOT does not make them road legal. All the MOT does is a basic safety check on the workings and aim of headlights.

I would suggest you speak to knowledgeable vehicle lighting persons..

What is the legal situation?


UK Vehicle Lighting Regulations states that vehicles from 1986 headlights must have an approval mark.

The Designation of Approval Marks Act states an acceptable approval mark for headlights is as described by the UNECE regulations

The Road Traffic Act section 76(?) states it is an offence to supply fit or use a defective item on a vehicle. Non approved item would IMO include a non approved item.


A valid approval mark consists of several parts.


Country code which is an E + number in a circle

The regulation or amendment number

The actual approval number 4-6 digits

Light Function Code HCR for main/dipped beam and RL for a DRL

PL for plastic lens

Peak Beam Reference Number something like 12.5/17.5/25

An arrow for left hand traffic . (British/American light pattern might not require the arrow)


NOT a legal requirement but most reputable manufacturers put their brand name on.

Since that information does not appear on your lights they are not approved and hence not road legal


Approval marks are set out in UNECE Regulation 112 section 4 (IIRC) Google it for yourself or read this


Other relevant UN regulations are UNECE R48



I would suggest you go back to your dealer and discuss the situation with them. Be warned they will probably fob you off as they will not be aware of the regulations and their legal responsibilities.

It is unfortunate but their are a lot of ILLEGAL LED headlights available on sites such as ebay etc

Have a look HERE . They look extremely similar to yours with same markings as yours. They are ILLEGAL as they are not approved.

It is worse then that they are passing off. Claim to be Truck-Lite 27291C . Truck-Lite do an approved headlight but it is nothing like that. Check by looking at a genuine Truck-Lite 27291C HERE


I am sorry but you have been misinformed/duped by the person who supplied those headlights. It is also possible that the person concerned ordering those lights were misinformed/duped about the legality of these lights



If you want to check things like approval markings all vehicle glass needs to carry an approval mark.

The UNECE regulation for vehicle safety glass is regulation 43.

Look at your Defender each glass will have the following markings on

Country code E+ number in a circle

43R being the actual regulation

4-6 digit approval number

Also manufacturers name.

Now walk down the street and look at a BMW/Fiat/Audi/Ford etc a nd they will be of same format with 43R as the regulation


Apologies for the long winded post but by giving detailed references you can actually check for yourself what I have stated


Brendan
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Even if they are for off road use, they’re still a damn good price, would struggle to find led aux spots for that much. GLWS Thumbs Up
Post #707010 13th May 2018 10:57pm
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