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Birdy



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Registering a Vehicle in France
Rat leaving sinking ship and all that, at the same time as declaring my gaff in the South of France as my résidence principale, I wish to register, tax and insure my Defender and Morgan to that address.

BUT, I don't have their Certificates of Conformity. I haven't yet been in contact with JLR, but when I purchased the MOG new I was told by MMC that they wouldn't/couldn't provide one. I could've/should've perhaps screamed louder, but who saw this one coming?

Is the lack of a C of C an insurmountable problem? Will I be obliged to flog 'em both and buy a Eurobox to get around in?

Peter
Post #544221 28th Jun 2016 3:47pm
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languedoc



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Depends on your Prefecture and who you speak to. The specific euro conformity code may well be on your V5 if its new enough.
Post #544226 28th Jun 2016 4:07pm
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Grenadier



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Languedoc, I think the problem is that the CofC Birdy will require must also reflect that the lights have been changed and been signed off by a LR dealership.

When importing my wife's new car from Germany just last Friday, as you point out the German CofC was accepted. However when doing so for her previous car, a RHD mini, we had to get the lights changed, then get the car signed off by BMW before a CofC was sent. Only then could we get the CT which Birdy will also need if over four years old, as obviously they can't do it with the OE UK lights. About to do mine soon, once I get my hands on Riverboy's Wipacs Whistle Monsieur Le Grenadier

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Post #544228 28th Jun 2016 4:12pm
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languedoc



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I didn't have that problem because I had the CT on the car before so it wasn't asked

Didn't need CofC for a CT on last 2 we registered but its a backwater garage I use
Post #544232 28th Jun 2016 4:33pm
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Birdy



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Changing of lights (right hand dip headlamps, swapping fog and reverse lamps etc.) a given, CT no biggie, it's the C of C that I'm worried about.

I think Languedoc's approach might be the best one, if anybody can get something through it'll be Jean-Claude or Jean-Pierre from that scruffy little garage that sources Citroën Méharis and Mini Mokes for the rich expats.

Peter
Post #544298 28th Jun 2016 7:41pm
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discomog



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Hi Birdy, Having owned Morgans for the last 40 years I can understand MMC not being very helpful. Try contacting the Morgan Club de France or even one of the UK dealers like Melvyn Rutter who I'm sure has sold a number of second hand Morgans to France. He may know either how to get around it or how to obtain a C of C. Good luck. Defender 90XS SW
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Post #544305 28th Jun 2016 8:01pm
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Tribord



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For the Defender, call JLR in Paris - they will send you a simple form to complete with the vehicle details - send it back (they may also ask for a cheque for €70 or €90) and they will issue you a CoC. No need to worry about changing lights or signing off at a JLR garage - change them yourself in your own time for the CT.

You will likely find it difficult to register without the CoC. you could try one of the on-line companies that offer CoC services, but some cars can be very difficult to import - I know of TVRs in this category.

If your Defender is fairly new, be prepared for an expensive CG. If that is the case you may wish to just keep on UK plates until it is 10 years old....not possible with German cars because of the temporary export plates with expiry dates....
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Grenadier



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languedoc wrote:
I didn't have that problem because I had the CT on the car before so it wasn't asked

Didn't need CofC for a CT on last 2 we registered but its a backwater garage I use


That's interesting. I 'know' my CT guy quite well. Might see if I can blag a pass and not have to mess around with new lights and CofCs etc. Thumbs Up Monsieur Le Grenadier

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Post #544381 29th Jun 2016 6:15am
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languedoc



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Both mine had flat beam lights though so don't need changed over. May be why
Post #544478 29th Jun 2016 11:46am
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Grenadier



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Interesting. Mine has upgraded Xenons (put in by dealer, not me) and whilst not scientific, they look to be a flat rather than tilted beam. Will pop in for a CT and find out. Not a great time to be driving a British plated car in a town where they are regularly keyed anyway... Shocked Monsieur Le Grenadier

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Post #544562 29th Jun 2016 3:23pm
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languedoc



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Haha must be rough in Cham what with the multi million € houses!

My motorbike has Brit plates still, maybe not a good idea to take it out!
Post #544567 29th Jun 2016 3:38pm
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Tribord



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Grenadier, are you saying French people are deliberately taking keys and scratching cars with English plates?
Post #544603 29th Jun 2016 5:32pm
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mk1collector



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I hope not as we're going to France in August Shocked Ray
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ericvv



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Happens all the time if you park in the street, also here in Geneva. Nothing to do with UK number plates. Usually youngsters or jealous people targeting especially glossy looking nice cars. You often see a nice car with a key mark like a wave at the side from the front, over the doors, to the rear. Our insurance companies vandalism clause usally covers such resprays.
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Grenadier



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Yup, have been for years. A large anti English sentiment amongst the locals. Not by any means all locals, but enough that it's a regular occurrence (or tyres flattened, paint on bonnets, wipers ripped off). It's in large part due to the strong (20% - permanent) British community which, sadly, is almost entirely self sufficient, speaks little or no French, have no French friends and makes no effort to integrate whatsoever. Want a plumber, get a Brit. Go to a BBQ, have it hosted by a Brit. Want a beer, go to the Brit bar (or Swedish). Need your brakes done, use the Brit mech. Physio, airport transfer, bike shop, ski guide, the list goes on. All too prevelant. (Ironically some will no doubt have moaned about UK immigration just last week Whistle ). Add to that that the French blame Brits for property price rises over the past 15 years, are jealous because nearly every successful company is British, that we swamp the resort with tourists and young seasonnaires every winter and, obviously, are generally the blame for most of the boorish behaviour. Obviously not all French think this way, nor are all the Brits able to be type cast as above, but there are enough in each camp to keep animosity simmering. Shocked Monsieur Le Grenadier

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