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| dgardel Member Since: 30 Nov 2008 Location: Veneto (Heart & Head) Posts: 3586  
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Why?
Puma engine is far superior, modern..... especially remapped vs TGV tuned.... strange request, strange people....  Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition
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27th Dec 2015 12:52pm |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3748  
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Will agree as above,, Why ??
TDV to upgrad 300 TDi, well worth it,, but a Puma ? 3 steps at least backwards ! California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1 Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK |
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27th Dec 2015 6:14pm |
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| sharkey964 Member Since: 05 Oct 2014 Location: On a muddy track Posts: 574  
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WHY?????
It would be a backwards step.  |
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27th Dec 2015 6:14pm |
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| pj2106 Member Since: 20 Dec 2012 Location: Huntingdon AKA The Shire Posts: 1500  
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Reliability for over landing much more simple to fix on the roadside just a few reasons
Would be better to go for the tdv6 from IRB if you want more power and keep with modern electrics tbh 2008 110 2.4 XS Utility (Hagrid) 2002 90 TD5 Hardtop (Sully) Sold 1998 300TDi D1 (Billy) Sold |
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27th Dec 2015 6:17pm |
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| Hufflepuff Member Since: 25 Oct 2014 Location: Hampshire Posts: 727  
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I don't see how you could legally do it in the UK. How would you meet the emissions requirements of a modern diesel car with a Tdi?
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27th Dec 2015 8:17pm |
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| Hairysteve Member Since: 15 Jun 2015 Location: Surrey Posts: 692 
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Andy (sponsor) AJS tyres http://www.reigate-tyres.co.uk/ has the TGV 2.8 running in a project 90 so they might be able to offer some advice.
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27th Dec 2015 8:25pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7990 
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i am running two tgvs, what are your specifics and use for? Cheers
James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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27th Dec 2015 8:41pm |
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| Noiseydave Member Since: 27 Dec 2015 Location: West Midlands Posts: 43 
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Why?
Well sick of limp mode, fragility of the engine in terms of fuel requirements, sensor failures, clutch failures and what seems to be a lack of understanding from the dealers and some independent specialists how to fix them. Without this forum and the advice I have found or or given my car would never turn a wheel. The technology is fine but it is not dependable so I am looking for options that are. |
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27th Dec 2015 8:50pm |
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| Noiseydave Member Since: 27 Dec 2015 Location: West Midlands Posts: 43
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Hi James The car is really a run about, no heavy towing or loads. Occasional long journey. Reliability is the end goal Thanks Dave |
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27th Dec 2015 8:57pm |
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| pj2106 Member Since: 20 Dec 2012 Location: Huntingdon AKA The Shire Posts: 1500
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Stick a td5 in it plenty of upgrade opp and the best engine lr made by far 2008 110 2.4 XS Utility (Hagrid)
2002 90 TD5 Hardtop (Sully) Sold 1998 300TDi D1 (Billy) Sold |
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27th Dec 2015 8:59pm |
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| dozerman Member Since: 09 Nov 2014 Location: Cheshire Posts: 101 
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Depending on what you've already got and how set on the 'mechanical/non-electronic' end product you are I would probably suggest flogging yours and buying a cheap/tatty 300 tdi to rebuild to your own spec. You would end up pouring money into a puma to remove the electronics/ increase reliability and IMO end up with a seriously devalued mongrel vehicle. |
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27th Dec 2015 10:31pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17327 
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Given that Pumas are generally very reliable, it'd be cheaper to sort yours out (or find someone who knows how to sort yours out) than attempt to retrofit an arguably obsolescent and non-compliant engine into it.
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27th Dec 2015 10:58pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7990
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i run two tgvs as said above both in 90s.
the first in a truck cab i have had around 10k miles over the last 10ish years. the engine was 2nd hand with 10k miles on it, complete with gbox and allisport std sized rad and intercooler and all pipework. its in my drive round day truck so its only used twice a month or so with a couple of longer runs to Wales maybe twice a year. it used to be used as a challenge entry level truck so the low down grunt of the TGV with its simplicity 10years ish ago was superb. its running a laminova and and air to oil cooler for the ashcroft HP24/22 amalgamation with a med sized (4.0L) TC. 1.4 T box and 33" BFG MTs. the second is in my trayback. i bought a 300tdi aged Discovery that had had the conversion fitted to it from M&D. engine had about 60k on it when i got it. i have had it approx 6 years. its done around 2k miles in that period all at events and all off road. vehicle runs two air to oil coolers 24 and 18 row ones with ashcroft monster box HP22/24 amalgamation with large (4.6L) TC. 1.6 t box on 37" tyres. also running a larger intercooler and an Alisport V8 custom radiator with twin spal fans. i went for auto on both as both are on winch vehicles and i find it easier to match winch line speed to wheel rotation speed in an auto. the auto takes the shunt out of the driveline too and no clutches to worry about. bear in mnid a std tune tgv has same torque bar 20Nm as a stage 1 ish remapped td5. i went for TGV as i wanted simplicity and parts are cheap. most are straight off a 300tdi - timings belts, filters, pumps etc. Not alternator is a specific one, is has a rear through drive to the vac pump for brake system. i run this on one of mine and run an aux vac pump (elec) on the trayback to i could fit a bigger alt as std. dont expect brisk performance if running the auto. both mine are tunned up now using an EGT gauge. the Truck Cab will chirp a tyre under hard acceleration - but only just and its on MTs so they are likely to slip more than a road tyre. i cant comment on a manual. dont underestimate the engine cooling for them. go large and go special from day one, work on over cooling them. they also need a lot of air, more than a 300tdi and possibly more than a TD5/Puma - i never made the later calculations. 75mm dia feed min. problems with mine - the 60k one came with a  keyway on the crank which was easily resolved on next cam belt change (std 300tdi parts) truck cab one has had some starter motors over its life, down to lots of wading and it did break a cam belt (2 push rods said good bye) but both were my doing/fault.
i like them for their simplicity and ease to fix in the field with cheap availability of parts. i dont however use the vehicles everyday or as my day to day driver. If i had a 300/200tdi they would be a massive leap forward. i dont though, i have a 2.4 110. the TGVs dont even come close to comparing. they are louder, slower and use more fuel. refinement is not in the equation comparing a TGV to a 2.4 or a TD5. Note i am comparing two AUTO tgvs though to a man 2.4. If you seldom going over 50mph then the noise and speed wouldn't be a an issue but if your going to be doing the main road/motorway miles then get a td5 or better still a Vogue...... Would i fit one in my 2.4 - No Would i fit one in a tdi powered vehicle - yes Would i want to buy a new one - not a hope they are sooooooo £££££££ Cheers James 110 2012 XS Utility 130 2011 M57 bespoke Camper 90 2010 Hardtop 90 M57 1988 Hardtop |
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27th Dec 2015 11:09pm |
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| Noiseydave Member Since: 27 Dec 2015 Location: West Midlands Posts: 43
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Thanks James
Will look for a specialist who knows these engines, any suggestions would be appreciated Dave |
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28th Dec 2015 12:04am |
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