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jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Santorini Black

Defender New Style Keys & Puma 2.2 ECU

Just got a great deal from this seller

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/skempson-uk/m.ht...1439.l2654

on 2no new style defender keys & a "spare" ECU for taking to Mr Bell, very good to deal with!!

Click image to enlarge 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon - GONE
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - GONE
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

11th Jun 2014 12:55pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20942

Are the new fobs backwards compatible if programmed to earlier models of Puma?

11th Jun 2014 1:10pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

As far as Ive been told they are fully compatible with the 10AS units once coded but I've just emailed a contact in a dealership parts dept to make sure, get back to you soon Steve.

Cheers
John 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon - GONE
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - GONE
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

11th Jun 2014 1:25pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20942

Thank-you, I'd be interested to know.

11th Jun 2014 1:48pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

I'm waiting to hear back just now, in the meantime I'm going try to find someone in my area with a Nanocom and see if we can code the keys in.

Keep you in the loop Steve. 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon - GONE
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - GONE
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

11th Jun 2014 2:53pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

Jomara (John) very kindly gave me the 2 key fobs as he has done a deal with the dealers

Big thanks to John for the fobs and sorry I kept you gabbing for so long

Any ways once I got home I noticed that they were the 434mhz version were as the frequency on my 2009 10AS is 433.90 mhz. With this in mind today I got out the laptop and MSV and attempted to code them to my Puma.

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I relearned the 2 OEM fobs and they were coded in 3 presses of the lock button. I gave up on the new fobs after 40 presses. So I then swapped out the batteries on both new fobs after checking the voltage of the new batteries on a DMM. They use the same battery as the old fob, CR2032.

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With new batteries fitted I tried again to pair them to the 10AS with no luck. Next option is to do a RF test on the 10AS which allows any similar frequency non paired fob to operate the CDL when enabled. Again the 2 oem fobs worked but the new fobs did not, so I now knew what I suspected when I originally noticed the different frequencies, they don't work on my Puma.

I let John know so he could have them back and he has suggested we offer them to a forum member for a small donation to Martin plus postage. They will work on any LR alarm system on 434mhz, Evoque and the new 2.2 TDCi Pumas are two LR's that I am aware off. If anybody wants them pm me your details and I will get them off to you soon as. :thumbsup:

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29th Jun 2014 7:02pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

Brilliant write up Brian

2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon - GONE
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - GONE
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

29th Jun 2014 7:26pm

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20942

That's a shame they don't work.

I wish there was all in one keys that had a better design than those currently available.
I.e. A more square design would be much much more appealing to me and IMO suits the Defender better.
I like these ( key on the right)

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Which is a Nissan Navara key.

29th Jun 2014 8:14pm

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green

You going to have the ecu chipped or use as a spare for visits to the dealer.

29th Jun 2014 8:17pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

It's going be remapped and the original kept for dealer visits

2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon - GONE
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - GONE
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

29th Jun 2014 9:11pm

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

Interested in the keys. Did you buy those too?

29th Jun 2014 9:22pm

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

Yes bought them to try and see if they were programmable to the 10AS unit, thanks to Brian's help we now know they aren't backward compatible!! Brian has the 2 new style fobs drop him a PM and he will arrange something with you.

Cheers
John 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon - GONE
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - GONE
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

29th Jun 2014 11:16pm

borderterrier

Member Since: 09 Dec 2011
Location: Surrey
Posts: 1677

So they won't work with a 2013 2.2 Puma?

30th Jun 2014 5:46am

jomara

Member Since: 26 Oct 2009
Location: Lanarkshire
Posts: 1790

I bought them for my 2013 which had the original Lucas fobs but passed them along to Brian when I changed my car to a 14 model, Brian has all the diagnostic kit to pair them but found they're not compatible with the 10AS units in the 13 and previous cars:-( 2014 110 2.2TDCi XS Station wagon - GONE
1971 Bowler Tomcat 88 4.2 V8 Auto
2022 110 D250 XS Edition - GONE
2024 110 D250 X-Dynamic HSE

30th Jun 2014 6:25am

custom90

Member Since: 21 Jan 2010
Location: South West, England.
Posts: 20942

It seems then the new fobs will only work on a Defender which came with the new style fobs from the factory. Previous to that it won't work.

30th Jun 2014 10:10am

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