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| Higgers Member Since: 08 Apr 2009 Location: Cheshire Posts: 666   
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I'm going to wait out I think. I'll give the dealer a ring later in the week to get a bit more info. I'll keep you posted!!
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18th May 2010 9:58pm |
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| Sticky Member Since: 07 Dec 2008 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 245  
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I can confirm that Ford's engine tuning group (Ricardo's in Shoreham) have had the 2.2 for months on a Defender test bed.
I am told it is a 'highly strung' engine but very little difference between the existing unit in terms of output. They have all the same problems making it fit for purpose, many of the engine sensors in the standard engine have to be moved. Apparently they sucked water through them when the engine was hot and then submerged in cold water. |
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18th May 2010 10:49pm |
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| harveyg77 Member Since: 09 Apr 2010 Location: Derby Posts: 309
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Seeing as the 2.2 is effectively the same engine as the 2.4 you would have thought there is no great difficulty in 'Land-Roverising' it. i.e. the 2.4 is either a larger bore, or longer throw crank than the 2.2 (but otherwise the same), therefore if you're building 'Land-Roverised' 2.4 engines you can simply produce a 2.2 version instead with no need to redesign the wheel.
Will Ford be rationalising the 2.2 across their whole fleet in place of the 2.4 then? Would make sense if its up to the job. The Italian chap on this forum suggested Ford were dropping the 2.5 TDCi (VM based) unit in the Ranger for a 2.4 TDCi (Puma), which seems to lie slightly uneasy with LR dropping the 2.4 in favour of the 2.2. Anyway, I've got my 2.4 and short of a disaster will not be changing anytime soon  |
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19th May 2010 7:54am |
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| TallPaul Member Since: 28 Aug 2007 Location: Nr Reading Posts: 270
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They need an EU5 engine by Jan 2012 due to the new legislation they used to re-classify them all as commercial, I can't see them waiting until the last minute so would expect it to come at least next year at the latest.
Dealer seemed to think Defender did not have long to live, but with new one coming in 2014 according to the popular press, I can't see them not spending the small amount required to update engine spec rather than loosing the large amount to just stop selling them. I know they cost more to build as they are hand assembled, but I am pretty sure with the premium brand pricing they do good profit
I too would have thought you just take all the 2.4 mods they did and stick them on the 2.2. Can't see power being up much, can see emissions and consumption being better though. Disco 3 gone but the memory of the bills remain... XS 110 Utility maybe one day..... (did they fix the quality yet?) |
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19th May 2010 9:28am |
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| NoDo$h Member Since: 18 Aug 2007 Location: Buried in deer guts in Dorset Posts: 972
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Not sure I'd want one where they just bolt on the 2.4 amends. After all, they've hardly got that one right yet
 
54 Freelander modded for mud 2008 D3 SE 2010 90 XS SW 1978 88 Series 3 undergoing surgery with a new owner 2007 90 County Truck Cab - gone 2006 D3 SE - gone 2004 Freelander Sport - gay 1999 Disco V8 ES rotted to bits |
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19th May 2010 11:59am |
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| TallPaul Member Since: 28 Aug 2007 Location: Nr Reading Posts: 270
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Maybe it has a lot less torque so its the long term solution to the long term clutch issues?
 Disco 3 gone but the memory of the bills remain...
XS 110 Utility maybe one day..... (did they fix the quality yet?) |
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19th May 2010 12:23pm |
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| Caterham Member Since: 06 Nov 2008 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6265 
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2.2 ltr - you heard it hear first ! - well I think you did.
anyway not sure what difference it makes but apparently LR got Ford to change the orientation of the turbo to suit the Defender better with the 2.2 ltr unlike the 2.4? |
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24th May 2010 3:10pm |
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| Higgers Member Since: 08 Apr 2009 Location: Cheshire Posts: 666
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There making the front a bit more pedestrian friendly as well, rounding off the bumpers a bit etc...
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24th May 2010 8:32pm |
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| TallPaul Member Since: 28 Aug 2007 Location: Nr Reading Posts: 270
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So many rumours, so little evidence
 Disco 3 gone but the memory of the bills remain...
XS 110 Utility maybe one day..... (did they fix the quality yet?) |
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25th May 2010 10:38am |
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| harveyg77 Member Since: 09 Apr 2010 Location: Derby Posts: 309
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Out of interest, what is wrong with the orientation of the turbo on the 2.4? Thanks Harvey |
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25th May 2010 12:26pm |
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