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BigWheels



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Other SWB 4x4s,what is the most capable competition for 90s?
The near future...there are no Defenders made as we know & love them anymore. The newest "dogs Censored " is not a suitable replacement.

So to look to other makers of SWB 4x4s (rather than AWD cars). There is the Mitsubishi Shogun, the Jeep CJ, & what else? Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender
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Are we talking current models because I don't think they've made CJ's for about 25 years Mr. Green
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I remember snapping an old CJ in half a few years back while off roading Embarassed It was incredibly rusty though! An engine to TDi for!
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Jeep Wrangler mechanical wise but I'm not a fan of that either. Prefer a shogun to that but they all aren't sensible alternatives IMO, a disco is another option but price is a massive factor. _\Hennessey|Venom| F5/___
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BigWheels



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Jeep Wranglers is what I meant (but they are all autos now Shocked That apart...) At least one look shows that they are descended from..Maurice Wilke's inspiration for Land Rovers. Thumbs Up for American traditionalists! Land Rover Defenders. 67 years heritage, minimal appearance changes, still going strong all over the world. Not a fashion vehicle, but fashionable to own. Made for the needy, not the greedy. Ta ta Defender
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Auto and thirsty too _\Hennessey|Venom| F5/___
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Only one really and that is the G Wagen... if you can afford one!
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^^^^ x2. G wagon is it, although you may have trouble finding a SWB 463 these days, as they' scaling production down of them (might even have stopped... although this could just be the cabrio version, I'll check on the G forums I'm on)

But as Mark says, these are the only real competition to a 90... coil springs, decent axle travel, an axle difflocks. plus you can have a factory auto and it won't let rain in when it rains.

I used to have a shogun 4work van for work. was OK. nice on the road, towed well, naff axle travel, and you only get the traction control on the posh versions, not the 4work (which ironically is "designed" for farmers & builders....)


Crap axle travel, my old truck. about 1 week old here:

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marsie



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one of these Cool

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Paul 2000 90 TD5,galv chassis, d2 axles ,Bas remap , alisport intercooler , d2 transfer box , side windows-more to come-much more!! *GONE*
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Natlas



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Ha hA nice one Marsie!
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RobKeay



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If defender came in auto id buy one in a flash.

The current jeep wrangler has much more power than defender. Comes with proper tyres. But isn't close because it can't tow it's shadow.

There's only one car that's even close to a 90 a D4. All the others can be only compared to a freelander.
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SWB 4x4s

Wot 4? Presumably not towing or carrying, otherwise youd be considering LWB. For off-roading Id recommend keeping an old one going

For looking flash, its GOT to be the Jeep.

Peter
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marsie wrote:
one of these Cool

http://www.markkey.co.uk/
Paul
Outstanding Thumbs Up its what id have . Use one whilst in Moscow .
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Birdy wrote:
SWB 4x4s

Wot 4? Presumably not towing or carrying, otherwise youd be considering LWB. For off-roading Id recommend keeping an old one going

All those farmers over the years must have seen something in them. Darren

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keith wrote:
marsie wrote:
one of these Cool

http://www.markkey.co.uk/
Paul
Outstanding Thumbs Up its what id have . Use one whilst in Moscow .



A good friend of mine used to run one of the original Niva's back in the 80's and 90's. think it was a 1.6 petrol. he had a set of 6.50x16 Firestone SATs on it, and that was it. that thing went everywhere.

was comfy inside, had a cracking heater! would fit places my 90 wouldn't go, but wouldn't keep up at speed on the rough stuff like my 90 would.
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