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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11240   
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Does any of that have any real impact though, beyond what we experience in the UK? That's rhetorical of course - I'm not expecting you to know one way or the other. It is generally accepted though that the UK has some of the safest roads in Europe, so it can't be that bad.
Given that very few people never speed, getting caught or not is largely a matter of statistics (que a slew of folks telling us how righteous they are  ). Your record is probably no better or worse than lots of people - it was just that your comment about not speeding immediately after detailing all of the money you'd handed over for speeding fines was funny Darren
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24th Jul 2013 3:08pm |
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| couplands Member Since: 31 Aug 2011 Location: Peak District & Cornwall Posts: 1826 
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I believe the speed limit in the UK is 30 MPH whenever there are street lights unless signed otherwise. As Pam said, best to assume 30 is the limit unless signed.
Cheers Simon EDIT: Just did a bit of lazy (Wikipedia..!) research... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Built-up_area_(Highway_Code) Last edited by couplands on 24th Jul 2013 4:47pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th Jul 2013 3:18pm |
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(story coming soon in another thread if/ when my pictures upload). Then there are road conditions- in Ukraine the road leading to Poland had ruts in it that an off-road site would be proud of, in Georgia there were potholes so big you have to drive in, and then out the other end..... not to mention some roads can only be driven in 4x4s. In Cyprus, they have lower speed limits, and the majority of accidents I saw were in towns and well under 30mph.
If I didn't have bad luck, I wouldn't have luck at all!!
| Pam W Member Since: 25 Oct 2011 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1169  
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Not actually quite right that. There IS actually a scale of severity of offence employed - using Fixed penalty or court summons, depending on what the excess speed was. If you speed within the given thresholds for the specific speed limit you can expect 3 points on a Fixed penalty notice If you speed outside the given thresholds for the specific speed limit you will receive a summons to go to court and there the decision taken may be between 3 and 6 points. So in the case of speeding by a school - usually 20mph these days - if you did 40 you would get a summons (threshold is 35), in a 60 limit doing 80 you will ALSO get a summons - both cases up to 6 points. However, if you were doing 80 on a motorway or dual carriageway you'd get a fixed penalty of 3 points. http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_tr...ces/#fixed Of course, in addition you may also get a separate fixed penalty or summons for the WAY you were driving - say driving without due care, dangerous driving etc, which may be at the discretion of the police. Our blog - http://landytravels.com/ Yorkshire Off Road Club - http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net Last edited by Pam W on 24th Jul 2013 4:49pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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24th Jul 2013 4:41pm |
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| Pam W Member Since: 25 Oct 2011 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 1169
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I am lucky enough to live in a county with proper road policing - ie. NO fixed speeding cameras.
We have mobile camera vans which circulate on the roads which have specific safety issues. You can find out which group of roads they may be on on specific weeks, but not by the precise day or time. So they may be anywhere, anytime. We also still have target specific traffic police speed traps and driving standard checks, and targeted driver/motorcycle rider education roadshows in the worst accident areas. These 2 methods, I believe, are far better at encouraging and achieving a better level of safer driving than any number of fixed cameras could ever do! Our blog - http://landytravels.com/ Yorkshire Off Road Club - http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net |
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24th Jul 2013 4:48pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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My only comment is that the speed limits seem sensible here and depend on location and road conditions. The emphasis is massively on safety (God forbid you speed near a school or hospital) and we are taught that even driving at 30 km/h in a 30 km/h limit may be an offence if the conditions don't permit (e.g. obstructions/children playing nearby/snow/street lights broken etc.). This requires constant judgement, for instance there are special speed limits for wet roads (very good idea) and speed cameras that operate when it's raining. Most speed cameras are temporary and the radio stations tell you where drivers have spotted them (often been caught out) - this may seem strange (illegal in the UK?) but it makes sure people check their speed regularly as the radio is also a constant reminder. The police don't mind as the cameras are there to slow you down before an accident, not just "catch you" after one. The fines for "accidental" speeding are high enough to hurt but not silly and only the real offenders get points or have to be "educated"
My "group education evening" was actually fun and the police cracked a lot of jokes whilst showing us the errors of our ways  Tell someone you love them today because life is short.
But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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24th Jul 2013 5:03pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3755  
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Mate, 78 in a 70 zone Australia...."No Points"?....That is not correct....you would collect ONE point. Also, in Australia, if you "break traction"...(spin the wheels)...your car can be IMPOUNDED...for having "improper control" of your vehicle! For anything over 35ks over the limit impound of vehicle can happen too. Cheers, Pickles. |
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24th Jul 2013 11:06pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015  
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I guess I was lucky to be on UK driving licence (which they can't endorse points on). How many points are you allowed, how long do they last and what effect do they have on insurance etc? I think 3 years counting and on your licence for 5 in the UK is a bit extreme (yes you can pay more and take the day course to avoid the points)- especially as in the case of the OP.... many years of no convictions and a genuine mistake caught him out. Where people with the right SAT-NAV systems speed everywhere but know where to slow down (and therefore get away with it 99% of the time). Glyn   |
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25th Jul 2013 8:40am |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3755
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Aaahh Right.....I have a friend over here at the moment...He's from the U.K......he has an "International" License...he's been booked via the cameras a couple of times, and yes he's had to cop the fines, but they can't put points on his license. Over here, in Victoria anyway, if you accrue 12 points within 3 years, you lose your license....but hey, it doesn't matter how long...I mean if ya lost 12 points in 12 months....you would lose your license. The points keep accruing for 3 years, and when the point becomes 3 yrs old, it disappears. As far as I'm aware, points do not affect insurance in Aus.....I mean, just about everyone cops 'em, 'cause the cameras are everywhere, but if you accrued 12 & your license was suspended, your insurer would need to know. likewise, if you are arrested/convicted in Court of a traffic offense, your insurer would need to know. Cheers, Pickles. |
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