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| roel Member Since: 08 Aug 2009 Location: Lelystad Posts: 2039   
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I would say yes. Let me explain my thinking. For a car that will be used for long drives etc I would like to have ABS. TC however helps a lot when off-roading on green lanes etc. So that is a bonus too.
If you would buy a 90 in my case for heavy offroading I don't mind ABS & TC but isn't a priority. I went for a cheap TD5 90 which will get the locker I had in my Camel. Roel 1984 90 2.5 na Diesel - RR V8 (1994-2001) 1997 Camel Trophy Discovery 300TDI (2001-2009) 2005 G4 Discovery III 4.4 V8 (2008-2018) It's gone but it still hurts. 2003 90 Td5 (2009-now) |
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2nd Nov 2009 8:29pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4500 
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There is a good discussion on the pros and cons of these on the Australian Land Rover site. It is AULRO.com.My Puma does not have either facility nor does my tdi which we drove for 13 years. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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2nd Nov 2009 8:53pm |
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| Mad Cow Member Since: 27 Oct 2009 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 292  
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My Hard Top doesn't have either and I like it that way.
OK ABS would be nice for the road but I survived for years in cars without it, having been taught how to cadence brake from an early age. My experience of TC was on two Freelander 1's and a Disco II, to be honest there were times when it was a hinderance whilst green laning. You often had to get the wheels spinning first to get it to engage and that just caused uneccessary damage to the lane surface. The Disco was the worst because of the weight, at least the Freebies tended to get through a lot due to being so much lighter (just don't mention ground clearance  ). MAD COW
2007 90 Hard Top - 2009 BMW F800GS - 2002 CCM 604E Dual Sport Project90 |
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2nd Nov 2009 10:26pm |
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| alantd Member Since: 14 Dec 2008 Location: Northamptonshire Posts: 1513  
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Not a necessity (didn't have it on my old 90) but quite reassuring - especially if, like me, you're not an off-road god.
I've used it to great effect several times. If I'd had better tyres (am still running the GG TRs) and had added some speed I would have been fine without TC but as it was I got through with minimal fuss and nice and slow (the way I like it). One that started out as a 2.4 TDCi 110 XS + New Defender 110 First Edition |
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2nd Nov 2009 11:38pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024 
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I wanted it - for some of the reasons mentioned...abs is a great safety feature, far better than any manual version (also learnt during my advanced driving) TC is also a useful feature on or off road.
The 3rd day of owning the defender a tractor pulled out of a side road into the main road (classic scenario) abs worked then and the new defender remained. Mike |
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3rd Nov 2009 7:29pm |
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| Maverick Member Since: 08 Mar 2008 Location: Inverurie! Posts: 261  
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ABS would be helpful on road, but having been taught to drive in cars with ABS I would say that. I do however, know how to handle non ABS car perfectly safely, you get a lot more feel!
Don't need traction control, just big tyres! Ben
Rebuilt 1996 black/white Defender 90 300 TDi |
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3rd Nov 2009 9:00pm |
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| willy eckerslike Member Since: 15 Jun 2009 Location: North yorks Posts: 1789 
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I Think no matter how good a driver we think we are, on a wet road an ABS car will out brake a non ABS car easily and also steer, What would be good would be the option of turning it off when you think you don,t need it i.e. snow Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
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3rd Nov 2009 10:46pm |
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| mse Member Since: 06 Apr 2008 Location: UK Posts: 5024
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Too True Mike |
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3rd Nov 2009 10:51pm |
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| Higgers Member Since: 08 Apr 2009 Location: Cheshire Posts: 666 
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Agreed Pete,
A button to switch off the TC would also be a good idea. Having parked a Defender 90 between two large trees at 65mph and seeing the families faces in the Alfa 157 that i was heading towards sideways...I'd prefer ABS. The wife was in the car behind and therefore was not impressed, especially as the wheels were lifting ready to roll over!!! Best thing was I only knocked a rear indicator lense off.  |
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3rd Nov 2009 10:55pm |
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| willy eckerslike Member Since: 15 Jun 2009 Location: North yorks Posts: 1789
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Unfortunately elf and safety arses would be asking if you had a accident was the abs turned on, TC should be a choice, ABS maybe below 20mph I don,t know the answer. Original Member Pie n Pea Club.
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3rd Nov 2009 11:04pm |
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| Mad Cow Member Since: 27 Oct 2009 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 292
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Question was do you need TC or ABS?
I would indeed agree that both are desirable but you can live without them... Well I'm going to have to 'cos I can't afford to change the truck anytime soon  MAD COW
2007 90 Hard Top - 2009 BMW F800GS - 2002 CCM 604E Dual Sport Project90 |
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4th Nov 2009 12:00am |
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| Setok Member Since: 16 Jan 2009 Location: Helsinki Posts: 415 
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In our Finnish driving lessons we had a chance to drive on a slippery track, simulating icy conditions. Actually, the best braking could be done by lightly pressing the brake pedal, thus avoiding any skidding or pumping actions. ABS only came in second best. It's just that a lot of people will undoubtedly react to an emergency by firmly pressing the brake pedal to the floor, which is a really bad idea in conditions like that. Especially if you get so tense in the situation you forget to quickly ease off the pedal when you find it skidding.
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4th Nov 2009 8:40pm |
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| Mad Cow Member Since: 27 Oct 2009 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 292
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Good point
I think that being a motorcyclist for 30 years has also taught me the benefits of gentle, controlled braking in slippery conditions. Mind you having said that, my current bike HAS got ABS  MAD COW
2007 90 Hard Top - 2009 BMW F800GS - 2002 CCM 604E Dual Sport Project90 |
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4th Nov 2009 11:35pm |
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