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rossy

Member Since: 29 Nov 2010
Location: Co. Roscommon
Posts: 1296

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Stornoway Grey

spudfan wrote:
When mine was test driven by a maindealer during a service, I was told it was the quietest,smoothest zippiest one they had ever driven. Even admired how good it was for overtaking. No remaps just good old 2 stroke.
Not saying that 2 stroke can compare with a remap just that a decent mechanic does notice things (but I admit that they are few and far between at maindealers!).

gosh Spudfan thats such a comforting thought (not) - the dealers having such a blast in your lovingly cared for Defender - to the extent that they are doing lots of 'overtaking'. (I'd rather not know they were 'overtaking' on the roads around Enniskillen. If they told me that I'd be livid !

1st Mar 2012 7:08pm

wslr

Member Since: 18 Jul 2010
Location: Wellington, Somerset
Posts: 581

As an IDS/SDD user, I don't think that any dealership would even notice. SDD is now very different from any other diagnostic system, and even the original IDS Legacy from 12 months ago is now very different to the present SDD. I don't think anyone in the workshop would even notice, except by checking the present software version.

In the software download page, SDD decides itself if a download is necessary, and if so, which version is present and which one will be written to the PCM. You don't have a choice, SDD decides for you.

The only thing I can think of is that under a warranty situation, the session files can be sent to Gaydon to be analysed, and perhaps there is something here which could show a clue as to past non-JLR software files..

1st Mar 2012 8:12pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

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1st Mar 2012 9:58pm

Alive Tuning

Member Since: 01 Mar 2010
Location: Louth
Posts: 609

All I am saying is, there are 'clues' left behind, After programming a map file onto the PCM. Nothing difinitive, but clues to that a map file may have been loaded prior to a dealer visit.

Sure, after x many ignition cycles, the IPAC may well clear itself, and I accept that these faults can occur as a result of a low/flat battery, as I have seen this before even on my RRS.

I have left my test vehicle in a just programmed state, so I can test how many ignition cycles it takes to clear.

Regards,

Gary.

1st Mar 2012 9:59pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

Gary thanks for taking the time to do this as it is appreciated. At the end of the day something on Boy's defender led the dealers to beleive it had been remapped at some point in the past, and any information on finding out what that was helps everyone, me included.

1st Mar 2012 10:02pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

I have removed my above post as I think an open forum is probably not the best place to discuss this topic.

1st Mar 2012 10:09pm

bell-auto-services

Member Since: 08 Jul 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 2232

2013 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Orkney Grey

Today I sent Alientech the needed command strings needed to clear all vehicle faults after a programming session is done. Maybe they will add it to all the latest software versions when they have time for all landrovers for all people to use at some point, this will save any need for any other tool to be used if poeple are that worried.

Pete

1st Mar 2012 10:52pm

zeerover

Member Since: 11 Jan 2009
Location: Ghent
Posts: 16

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Zermatt Silver

I am meccanic at bmw. After a read out we get a pup up when the engine is tuned also when it's removed. More than 10% of the BMW cars is tuned. Warranty of the drivetrain will be refused. So i am sure its dedectable.

1st Mar 2012 11:48pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

bell-auto-services wrote:
Today I sent Alientech the needed command strings needed to clear all vehicle faults after a programming session is done. Maybe they will add it to all the latest software versions when they have time for all landrovers for all people to use at some point, this will save any need for any other tool to be used if poeple are that worried.

Pete

Pete,

To clarify, is this just to include the IC/IPAC fault list? or all the modules?

Brian.

2nd Mar 2012 1:37pm

bell-auto-services

Member Since: 08 Jul 2007
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 2232

full car/clear all or an all can module instruction however you want to interprate it, hopefully as an extra option in the list.

2nd Mar 2012 5:36pm

Lorryman100

Member Since: 01 Oct 2010
Location: Here
Posts: 2686

I think I understand what you have asked Alientech to do. Is it to add the instructions/ability to clear all fault codes in the PCM /IPAC CAN modules once the reprogramming is complete? Will this then mean that the remap interface will have the ability to clear all modules of faults as standard compared to it being as it is now just a generic code reader? It would be a good addition if Alien tech where to be able to do this, then you would not need a dedicated LR fault code reader as well as the interface.

2nd Mar 2012 6:00pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
Posts: 4500

rossy wrote:
spudfan wrote:
When mine was test driven by a maindealer during a service, I was told it was the quietest,smoothest zippiest one they had ever driven. Even admired how good it was for overtaking. No remaps just good old 2 stroke.
Not saying that 2 stroke can compare with a remap just that a decent mechanic does notice things (but I admit that they are few and far between at maindealers!).

gosh Spudfan thats such a comforting thought (not) - the dealers having such a blast in your lovingly cared for Defender - to the extent that they are doing lots of 'overtaking'. (I'd rather not know they were 'overtaking' on the roads around Enniskillen. If they told me that I'd be livid !

Rossy, it did'nt bother me one bit. How many times have you read here about people getting warranty work done only for them to find the same fault to crop up driving home after collecting the vehicle or for it to come back a few days later.
Mine was in for a clutch change under warranty. The service manager took it home for the night after the clutch was changed to make sure all was o.k. As he lives in Sligo it was a good test! Great service as usual.
How did you get on with your leaks? 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

5th Mar 2012 12:30am

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