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| Japseroony Member Since: 02 Jan 2008 Location: North East England Posts: 845   
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Sorry I am not sure how to use the quote thing on here so you will have to read all of this to see if I reply to your post
1 There is nothing wrong with the Mantec snorkel but the air flow is not as good as the Safari ones. Any snorkel will restrict the airflow and anyone with some knowledge about airflow will understand that if you require air to flow oneway and then make it do an about turn by 180 degrees you are restricting the flow even further - adding a snorkel to any vehicle is like asking you or I to breath through a 4 ft pipe, you can breath, but it takes effort!!! 2 Landrover say that the Defenders dont need breathing kits on the Td5 or the new ones due to the fact that the "safe" wading depth on a defender is the top of the wheel rim - not the tyre but the rim and the basic kits are good enough for that - if however you wish to use the defender as it was supposed to be used you need a wading kit. I agree that with regards to the breathers, the positioning and height on the Td5 and new TDCi are un-altered other than the of the colour of the cable ties. 3 I agree the Safari snorkel wont fit, but if you give up at the first hurdle then you should not be driving a defender. Anything can be made to fit and Cheviot 4x4 have found a way for me 
Russell. |
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15th Jan 2008 11:42am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3709  
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Says Who 
I know they can be fitted as I was at my dealers J V Lyke when they fitted a Safari RAI to an 07 Defender. When I saw what was needed I decided to fit the £150 cheaper easier Mantec RAI. As far as giving up and not driving a Defender WTF  I don't think so  Go back to a horse and cart, then you wont need a RAI   So when Safari copy the Mantec RAI would you still insist that they supply the option that wont fit so you can have a 'challenge' in trying to get it to fit a car it was not designed to. BTW how much did Cheviot 4x4 charge you for fitting the Safari RAI  |
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15th Jan 2008 6:21pm |
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| Japseroony Member Since: 02 Jan 2008 Location: North East England Posts: 845
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Andrew,
Why are you having a go at me with all of this "WTF" stuff on your post? I have not said anyting against you or Mantec other than the Safari RAI is a better system - the reason for this has been explained in my previous post!!!!! If you choose to fit the cheaper inferior option then so be it. I know the Safari RAI is not designed to fit the 90 Defender but that does not mean it wont and as its a "better system" then with a small amount of inginuity it will fit - oh and yes I am sure Safari will make the piping for one soon but your dealer has done this anyway!!!!! When I mentioned giving up and not driving a Defender this was a reference to the fact that when owning a Defender, if you fall at the first hurdle you and give up then maybe a Defender (or any LR come to that) may not be for you, but this was not directed at you as it was a general comment, so get off your high horse FCS 
With regards to the cost, you will never know Last edited by Japseroony on 17th Jan 2008 7:54pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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15th Jan 2008 8:27pm |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3709
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I'm hot having a go at you did you not notice the in my post.
Why is it better you have not explained why. Or where are you getting your info from.
Have you actually seen an 'approved' by LR Mantec RAI Oh does the Safari still come with painted mild steel brackets The Mantec one has Stainless Steel
Again says who
I own 5 Defenders 1 Disco 3 and a CJ7 Jeep so I simply drive over the hurdles. You were answering my post so I would presume it was directed at me. I don't care for horses so you wont catch me on one.
Ring Ring Ring Ring Hello is that Cheviot 4x4 Hello I have an 07 Defender can you give me a price to fit a Safari Snorkel Yes the one thats not designed to fit the 07my 
Please don't be offended its just a bit of banter It does not matter who's RAI anyone fits. If we all did the same thing and copied each other just think how boring life would be.
One thing I have noticed though, after fitting the RAI to the 110sw performance has improved. I did not notice it on the Utility as we bolted loads of extras to it the same day. |
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16th Jan 2008 8:21pm |
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| Japseroony Member Since: 02 Jan 2008 Location: North East England Posts: 845
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Well thank goodness for that as being built like a brick s***house (not) I was gonna have to come down and sort you out good and proper young man
So, as I still aint managed to get the hang of the quote thing, here I go with an attempt to reply. The Safari RAI is a more direct airflow system and allows a greater amount of air to the engine. This is only a problem if you are either going to chip or re-map the engine for greater power as it would then need a greater amount of air. Indeed, a chap that I know of had to fit 2 Mantec RAI onto his Td5 as he replaced the intercooler, chipped the enging and various other things but the engine was starved of air with only 1 RAI. Prior to fitting the second RAI he did try the Safari RAI (albeit not fitted properly) but did not like the looks of it (strange chap) and found it was ok etc. I am not saying the Mantec is not a good system and indeed they have improved the looks greatly, actually it now looks like the Safari RAI but the Safari is better for the above reason - its all about airflow.
So why have you got all of those Defenders? Do you own an offroad driving school? My dog dont much care for horses either as he was kicked in the head once - think thats why he is now so stupid  but me, I aint bothered either way, but they do make a good sandwich.
Have you had any work done to the engines on your Defenders or are they standard? Thinking of having mine re-mapped by Allisport but not sure if its worth it with the new engine as the power is much better. |
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17th Jan 2008 7:53pm |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3752 
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Sorry Russel,, but, if the Mantec is good enough for Landrover,, then that's good enough for me I have binned 2 Safari RAI now, One on the Hybrid, as it was always getting hit, as they stick out to much, replace with a Southdown, much better for the job its get used for !!(and still goes very well, so no flow problem their !) The second one on the old TD5, for much the same reason, and replace with a Mantec,(anyone wants a good (as New) Safari RAI )
OK, working on your theory,,re air flow,, why then is the bore on the 07 Defender Mantec RAI, the same as the one RAI on my Sport,, and that has a proper engine,(nearly twice the size) not a taxi lump !!  California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1
Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK |
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17th Jan 2008 8:28pm |
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| Japseroony Member Since: 02 Jan 2008 Location: North East England Posts: 845
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Good enought for LR
you must be joking, what about the door seals, turbo's blowing, gearboxes/diffs blowing, water leaks, lack of underseal/rust proofing, badly fitting doors/panels etc etc etc as they are all good enough for LR eh
As previously stated I am not saying there is anything wrong with the Mantec RAI but once you start re-mapping the engine the airflow is restricted at times - that is all I am saying. The bore on the RAI is not the issue, more the way the RAI is asking the air to flow  |
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18th Jan 2008 11:41am |
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| TJ101 Member Since: 30 May 2007 Location: Taunton Somerset Posts: 3752
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Question then, Which required the more air,,, a 4.4 V8 or a chipped 2.4 diesel,
Mine are fine No, Work fine thanks No, not a drop, even with all the water we haveing down here this week , but will admit its the first Defender i have had that doesn't
Only time will tell No, mine fit ok
Bar from the ABS sensor lead,, mines been fine,, California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1
Main Brian James Trailer Dealer for South West UK |
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18th Jan 2008 12:22pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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So has mine Tim (famous last words probably). |
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18th Jan 2008 8:03pm |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412 
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Mine's booked back in to the dealers for Monday week.........
for it's 12k service. |
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20th Jan 2008 12:58am |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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Blimey - mine's still only on just over 3000 mls (other vehicles in the fleet too don't ya know)
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25th Jan 2008 10:32am |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412
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Its going in early - I've not done 12,000 miles in it yet.....
just 11,650 I do seem to rack up the miles - but that includes a few camping trips, trips to Cornwall and a holiday in France last summer. |
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25th Jan 2008 4:37pm |
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| dullbird Member Since: 25 Aug 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 87  
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the td5 safari snorkle can be fitted to the new 07 defender as someone has done it here in sydney.......
he had to take the guard off for some cutting and trimming on in the inside but it can be done..... YOU KNOW REHAB IS FOR QUITTERS!!!! |
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7th Feb 2008 9:25am |
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| El Cyd Member Since: 21 Sep 2008 Location: bristol Posts: 41 
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Hi all
is there any update regarding wading kits for the tdci additionally how well hardened/protected is the ECU. Regards If it aint broke its just waiting. |
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24th Sep 2008 1:31am |
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