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MercianRover



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United Kingdom 1998 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Java Black
Gladly.
Open vs Closed is very relevant to optimal geometry.
There's less bulk so the CV joint and kingpins can be packaged closer to the rolling centre of the hub, this is the "steering offset".

If one imagines, from the front elevation, an axis running through the upper and lower swivel pins, for the conventional closed knuckle there's a positive offset between that axis and the rolling axis of the front hub - the wheel is further out than the kingpin axis.

Spacers exacerbate this, as does a greater "ET" ("Einpresstiefe," which is a German term for "insertion depth" or "offset") for the rim.

Ignoring serviceability constraints, the other benefits of the open knuckle design are reduced unsprung mass and better steering angle, assuming that the suspension longitudinal linkage (radius arm) is favourably positioned.

Briefly the D2 axles had reduced steering offset, better steering angle, longer panhard rod (reduced lateral deflection of the axle over a wider travel range) and I think also diffferent caster. I remember there were illustrations of the changes when the vehicle was launched but that's a long time ago now.
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blackwolf



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Good point, scrub radius (steering offset) definitely a factor, although one that can be (but seldom is) balanced by adjusting wheel offset and tyre diameter.

I'm not sure that unsprung mass is much of a consideration since the reduction is unlikely to be a significant proportion of the total unsprung mass.

Thanks.
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MercianRover



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Yep, scrub radius or steering offset is often ignored. Look at the complex Audi FWD suspension linkage with it's virtual axes - clever stuff. Any reduction in mass is useful, unsprung specifically when trying to improve ride and handling.

Never understood why Land-Rover aluminium alloy rims were so heavy but I guess they wanted style as well as strength equal to that of the steel rims.
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