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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5922  
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I know you are classing it as chit chat but understanding what you want from the finished item can give better direction to which way, if anyway to swap.
On a side note. My Td5 has late model doors, which are better. Tdci seats, central locking (as standard) electric front windows. As far as swapping the engines, I can’t see anyone really being interested in what is under the bonnet. Including emissions crap. They certainly haven’t been with any vehicles I’ve ever owned. |
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14th May 2025 12:21pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17768  
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This is all very subjective and just as many people will have diametrically opposite views. I have never (yet) met a bad MT82, and have very seldom met a good R380. Teh R380 is one of most clunky and unsatisfactory gearboxes of recent years, in my opinion. The TD5 DMF is a horrible, expensive, and undesirable thing. Although it took LR years to get it right, the TDCi sprung clutch is vastly preferable. The fact that second row passengers in a TD5 have no head restraints is unacceptable in this day and age, and swapping the second row from a TDCi into a TD5 is not in the least bit easy. No Landrover heater has ever been good, the TDCi at least generates heat albeit as controllable as a nuclear meltdown. And so it goes on... Both have their advocates and supporters, both have their opponents and haters. Neither is better, they are just different. |
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14th May 2025 12:56pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 899
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Central locking and air con both available on Td5's. That said, a Defender is a basic vehicle. In all honesty if you want better comfort and refinement, Land Rover solved this a number of times. A Range Rover or Discovery are mostly the same under the body, but come with most of the things you are after. A tidy Disco 2 with a Td5 will always be a nicer place than a Puma Defender. If you want something boxy, then take a look at a Jeep Wrangler. The JK model comes with a very good 2.8 VM diesel and the JL a 2.2 diesel and both vehicles are way better than the Defender in terms of comfort, spec, refinement. But offer just as good off road ability. |
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14th May 2025 1:02pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 899
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Not really. Anyone who says a Puma isn't jerky to drive compared to other models, I simply do not believe. Have been in too many and know way too many people who have or currently own them. I'm not talking about 1 example. I'm an active member in our local Land Rover club and litterlly dozens of people have had or got Puma's. I'm not hating on them at all. It is just an observation. What normally happens is an owner of a Puma then doesn't want to believe it and may well post something similar to what you a have. If you were local it would be so easy to demonstrate this in person. But in text over a forum it is nearly impossible.
BTW - I never mentioned 'bad' MT82. I mentioned the 'entire process of changing gear'. The entire drive is a lot more jerky, to lifting your foot off the throttle pedal, to how the vehicle reacts when you depress the clutch. And they can be very very easy to drive in an extremely jerky manner, hence there being so much talk on this forum about it. If it wasn't true, there would be no discussion. I also know at least 2 people who got rid of Puma's as they just couldn't gel with them and how jerky they can be. |
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14th May 2025 1:09pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 899
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Sadly emissions 'crap' as you say, is something that MoT testers are meant to check. You can also be fined for tampering with them if the vehicle is for road use. And the vehicle will need to pass an emissions test. Which maybe it would. But it is quite a gamble to go to the cost of an engine conversion to find it won't pass an MoT. |
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14th May 2025 1:13pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5922
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They can only check so much, and as most of us know, the reality is they don’t.
A good Td5 or Tdci is going to pass the primitive smoke test that is required for an MOT. |
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14th May 2025 3:25pm |
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| Esben Kold Member Since: 14 Oct 2023 Location: Horsens Posts: 34  
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I own a 2008 tdci and it was very jerky during gear changes or coming on/off the throttle. I have renewed/renovated almost every single bit in the drivetrain since and now it is perfectly fine. If you cannot drive it smoothly it is due to a lack of skills. All cars can be driven in a jerky manner. That means that it requires some effort from the pilot. If the puma requires more or less from the driver is something I do not know. But it is completely out of proportion when people make the tdci out as undriveable. It is just silly. My wife drives ours perfectly smooth |
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15th May 2025 9:37am |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 899
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No idea who said undriveable, certainly wasn't me. I've only said they are 'more' jerky than older models. And it is very challenging to shift quickly from 1st - 2nd or 2nd - 3rd without being super jerky.
As for replacing parts... The 2 TDCi's we have on the farm, one a 2012 plate, the other early 2016 on a 65 plate have been owned from new. They both only have about 15,000 miles on each. So unless Land Rover delivered them worn out, I really don't think this is the case. For reference we also have a 1984 Ninety diesel, a V8 1985 Ninety, 300Tdi 90, 2.5TD, Ninety, 200Tdi Ninety, VM Range Rover classic, Td5 Disco 2. Which pretty much covers most of the factory engines and gearboxes offered. |
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15th May 2025 2:34pm |
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| steveww Member Since: 05 Jan 2022 Location: Malton Posts: 595 
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I've just changed the rear half shafts on my TDCi to solid items (LOF). This has improved the smoothness of the gear change considerably, so much smoother now.
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21st May 2025 5:13pm |
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