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Mining Subsidence Stu



Member Since: 06 Mar 2024
Location: Cornwall
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United Kingdom 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Caledonian Blue
Roamerdrive/LT230 Transfer box whining.
I've had this all together for about a year. Overdrive was previously fitted to a guys truck for a few miles then changed, was all like new. New washers, etc. Had it fitted to a low mileage (since total restoration) ashcroft LT230.

It has been sightly whiney since. More so in 4th and 5th.

Recently, the whining has got louder, to the point I wondered about the oil level. So, I threw some more oil in it and it shut it up a bit. Then it started leaking a bit. I looked at the areas for leaks and found the breather banjo loose. So I got the levels sorted out and then re-read the roamerdrive fill level literature. So today, I went and pulled the grub screw out and drained the overfilled oil out. It had a sheen to it, almost like copper grease. It was like slightly metallic paint, clearly something brass has come to bits in there, or majorly worn.

Can any of you tell me what is likely to have happened and what this means? Obviously, I don't want to lunch the overdrive. The oil is the correct GL4 for the OD per the spec.

The overdrive seems to make more noise when it's engaged. This is either a more torque thing. I'm wondering if it's anything to do with this shaft.

Also, what happens. How bad does it get before it goes bang?
Post #1065705 17th Apr 2025 12:01pm
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TexasRover



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Location: Paris
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France 2002 Defender 110 Td5 DCPU Chawton White
To eliminate the Roamerdrive as the cause of the noise can you not remove the roamer drive and refit the standard intake shaft?

The copper can be the roamerdrive syncros going bad or it can be the washers on the center diff of the LT230.

I had an LT230 with a hell of a whine, I changed it with an old one I had without changing a thing and the noise is completely gone. Then I fitted a Roamerdrive and it has been perfect, no noise whatsoever.

Whine noise is typically associated with poor gear meshing dt wear or bearing failure (misalignment).
Post #1065709 17th Apr 2025 2:04pm
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MercianRover



Member Since: 07 Apr 2022
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United Kingdom 1998 Defender 110 300 Tdi CSW Java Black
Mine made a high-pitched whine so I got it hot, drained the overdrive and transfer box, put the drain plug in and put about a litre of diesel in each to flush any sticky deposits then drained again - left for ages until no more drips.

Replaced drain plugs and refilled both with GL4 - the high-pitched noise stopped and has not returned.
Post #1065710 17th Apr 2025 2:05pm
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donmacn



Member Since: 07 Nov 2017
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I had a whine develop on my Roamerdrive over a period of time, particularly on the over-run. (E.g over the brow of a small hill, foot off the accelerator = whine). It wasn’t so bad under load/drive. This unit was brand new to me, properly fitted, and with the correct oils from the outset.

I lived with it for a bit, but it wasn’t going to get any better by itself and I had a few long trips coming up. I’d also noticed a thread on LR4x4 where a couple of guys had taken them apart and I thought ‘how hard can it be?’…. ( [/url]https://lr4x4.com/topic/111412-roamerdrive-defender-noise/page/7/#comments[url] ) My content is about page 6 onwards.

During the process I found that 3 of the bearings in my unit were unbranded. They felt very smooth and ran OK in the hand, but in-situ on the unit they were notchy. I think they were just a little out of spec. I had some email communication with Ray Wood (Roamerdrive designer) at the time and he made a good defence of the bearings they selected, also pointing out that for a small manufacturer on the west of Canada, sourcing bearings from Chinese suppliers was a lot easier. Questions about bearings etc are well-discussed on the thread.

In any event I got it back together (phew! I’m no engineer!) onto the car, and it’s worked fine since.

Not sure how helpful this is to the original question, but it might be interesting to have a little bit more of an in-depth look into how the thing works.

*sorry, the URL thing hasn’t worked properly. I’m doing this on an iPad rather than a PC and can’t get it to play nicely. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...
Post #1065763 18th Apr 2025 10:53am
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Mining Subsidence Stu



Member Since: 06 Mar 2024
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United Kingdom 1991 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Caledonian Blue
Typical me buying a OD (said was pretty much brand new - I suspect it was a noisy one and the guy sold it on to muggins here) which is bu99ered.

I'll see if another one comes up S/H.
Post #1065846 19th Apr 2025 11:42am
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donmacn



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Obviously the LT230 can happily whine all by itself, but as has been said above, there’s an easy enough way to check which is the culprit, by taking the OD off. (Assuming you have the original PTO cover and gearbox output shaft gear. I can never remember if it’s the ‘output’ gear from the gearbox, or the ‘input’ gear into the TBox!)

Then, when the OD is off, if the TBox is quiet enough, you can consider your options. Having done it once I’d happily take it apart again, but if that’s not an option I would look for a local engineering/gearbox workshop and ask them to have a look/replace the bearings. It is a fairly straightforward job. That way, for the price of a 2nd hand unit you’d have one you could have more confidence in. Donald

1994 Defender 300Tdi 110 SW - owned since 2002 - 230k miles and going strong
(The 'rolling restoration' or tinkering thread: http://www.defender2.net/forum/topic58538.html )
2000 Range Rover P38 4.0L V8

in the past..
RR classic - fitted with 200Tdi
1984 RR classic - V8 with ZF auto box
1993 Discovery 300Tdi

not to mention the minis and the Type 2 VW camper...
Post #1065874 19th Apr 2025 5:16pm
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derbywill



Member Since: 25 Mar 2010
Location: Derbyshire
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England 2005 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Java Black
The roamerdrives are pretty easy to rebuild, the only issue I came up against was that I needed to have the outside of a socket turned down so it would fit. Other than that I got the bearings from bearing suppliers in the UK and advice from Ray Wood in Canada.
I was in a similar position to you, bought a 2nd hand unit of this forum then not long after it was noisy.
Been refitted for around 9years now and covered around 100,000miles, wouldn’t be without it!

Cheers

Will 2005 90 XS
1954 86'' Series 1 tilt
1968 88” 2A 200tdi
2002 110 Hardtop
Post #1065964 21st Apr 2025 7:02am
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