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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1343   
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I dont have one, but as a short journey, low mileage driver, if I was buying any new vehicle with the choice of petrol over diesel, I would go petrol.
Too many horror stories of blocked EGR valves and clogged DPF's on diesels. For me, with a low annual mileage, I'd rather take the hit on fuel consumption, than face big expense on cleaning out all the c**p caused by modern diesel emissions systems!!! |
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15th Feb 2025 9:12pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17936 
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Interesting. I would avoid petrol as much as possible due to the ethanol situation. Give me a diesel (even if it has to have a DPF, EVR, and DEF system) in preference any day.
I haven't driven a Grenadier (yet) but I really cannot believe that a petrol engine suits it. |
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15th Feb 2025 10:18pm |
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| pjm-84 Member Since: 12 Apr 2021 Location: Hampshire Posts: 714
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Interesting. I can only speak for that engine in the slighty lighter BMW X545e and its a gem.
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15th Feb 2025 10:40pm |
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| lohr500 Member Since: 14 Sep 2014 Location: Skipton Posts: 1343
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I'd like to think that the E10 ethanol level has been factored into modern petrol engines.
Haven't they been running on it for years in Brazil? But who knows? After two clogged EGR valves on a Disco 3, three flatbed recovery trips with a 2.2 Wrangler diesel to the Jeep dealer caused by a recurring blocked DPF filter and two different friends with a VW T6 van and Nissan X-Trail both with DPF issues, I think I would take my chances on running 10% ethanol 
Not to mention all the oil dilution issues with the early Ingenium engines and others, caused by EGR regeneration. Not by any means a controlled test, but my son's 10 year old Mazda 2 has done 50,000 miles in the past 2 years on E10 without any drama so far and a clean bill of health on every MOT emissions check since its first test. (tempting fate, I know!) But I would take an old school mechanical injection diesel any day without all the emaciating c**p bolted on today to keep the green lobby happy. |
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15th Feb 2025 11:00pm |
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| Chicken Drumstick Member Since: 17 Aug 2020 Location: Near MK Posts: 921
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What ethanol situation? And what rational do you have for the BMW engine not being fine with it? No idea why you'd think a torquey powerful petrol engine wouldn't work in a such a vehicle.  |
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15th Feb 2025 11:48pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17936
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Principally I am averse to its low energy density and hygroscopic nature. I accept that a vehicle designed specifically to use it should not experience the corrosion and component degradation that older vehicles do.
I am not familiar with either of the BMW engines in used in the Grenadier since I am not a fan of BMW vehicles however many decades of working Land-Rovers as they were designed to be worked has made me believe that petrol engines are not really suited to 7-ton GTW vehicles. I prefer the torque characteristics of a diesel. I am sure that both engines are good engines and I have no doubt that either puts the recent JLR offering to shame. Hell will freeze over before I buy a JLR TDV6- or Ingenium-engined vehicle.  |
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16th Feb 2025 12:10am |
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| County V8 Member Since: 07 Jun 2021 Location: UK Posts: 151
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HI All
After having driven both the B57 and B58 in all models for over 12K I would say it depends the B57 is good for economy towing etc but the Petrol has more power and none of the Ad Blue nonsense. Both engines are smooth with a nice flat torque curve and detuned from the BMW versions for longevity .I have a B58 for the application I need it for do you miss the extra torque off road? well not really and it runs fine on super unleaded. You don't buy a 2.7 T aerodynamic brick for fuel economy. So I would say get an extended test drive more than round the block use it for a day or more to see if it suits you and your use its not all about the engine the chassis by Gestamp is super thick up to 3.5mm the braided lines the urethane suspension bushes etc. I think we have to get used to the fact that "it's not a Land Rover" |
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24th Feb 2025 7:50am |
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| Crazymind Member Since: 11 Jun 2024 Location: Glasgow Posts: 315
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I would buy the Ineos petrol in a heartbeat! Bmw engine is fabulous. Sure on pair with the ingenium.
I just cannot stand the mpg. The one I had tested, real mpg 15/18. Not sure it was designed with Europe in mind… The diesel is a lot more efficient and it’s more likely 25/28 mpg vs 28/30 mpg of my defender. Modern diesel need more frequent oil changes (despite 20k miles interval…) to keep the sump diesel free and egr cleaning every 20k miles. In addition always keep a tool to force dpf regen ar your convenience ( ex: one week of short driving and city driving… force it to regen next long trip..). This is how I survived the new diesel generation so far including the horrid T6 dpf clogging ( mine never had the problem, following the direction of more experienced t6 owners with mechanical background). |
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24th Feb 2025 9:43am |
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| Jim1988 Member Since: 26 Oct 2017 Location: Derbyshire Posts: 274
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I e had a BMW x3 G01 30d believe to be same engine and box, and currently own an X3 M40i G01 believe it’s same as the petrol engine they use.
I niched preferred the diesel and never had an issue for 5 years of ownership with doing mostly short runs. Sold it to a work friend who has had no issues in the last two years. Although I don’t want to put you off the petrol it’s a great motor! Just doesn’t feel as good as the diesel did! Thanks Jim. |
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24th Feb 2025 12:42pm |
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| tamar817 Member Since: 07 Nov 2019 Location: Durham Posts: 11 
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I love the petrol — it sounds great and pulls away nicely. I didn’t even drive the diesel, I just wanted the petrol. I get about 18 mpg, which isn’t a big difference from my 2.2 Defender. If I was towing a lot, doing more miles, or if it was my only car, then the diesel would be the more sensible choice.
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9th Sep 2025 11:28am |
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| Ianh Member Since: 17 Sep 2018 Location: Essex Posts: 2515
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Just over 18mpg on your 2.2 Puma seemed extraordinary low ( I get nearer 30mpg) then I spotted you lived in Durham so every journey is up a steep hill
and I live in flat Essex. |
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9th Sep 2025 12:47pm |
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| TexasRover Member Since: 24 Nov 2022 Location: Paris Posts: 1328  
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The arguments in favour of Diesel are entirely fabricated and policy driven in Europe. Plenty of conspiracy theories about, but if you live in the USA, Middle East etc it's clear that petrol is much preferred especially for high power requirements. It's much "cleaner" and less smelly (less polluting not being a big argument there). Engines are much simpler and thus more reliable. Power delivery is smooth and effortless.
While living in the USA and later UAE, Saudi, I owned plenty of landrovers Range rovers discos, etc and ALL were petrol V8s and all were great, much better than the diesel versions sold in Europe. Now with hybrid technology petrol is back (why are we not making Diesel Hybrids? Should be ultimate economy). Diesel is dead and other than for lorry applications rightly so. |
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9th Sep 2025 1:48pm |
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| lightning Member Since: 23 Apr 2009 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 3369
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Given the choice l would choose petrol.
However Diesel isn't dead just yet. My Defender is 3.0 litre six cylinder diesel with 250bhp but more importantly 600Nm of torque at 1,300rpm. lt's a superb engine, it's so quiet even when cold that l've had customers ask me if it's electric. lt will do over 40mpg at 70mph (2 1/2 ton 4x4 remember) lt is MHEV but don't think the system does much. Mainly to do with the stop/start which l turn off mostly. Although l will use it if it looks like l am going to be stationary for more than about a minute. |
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9th Sep 2025 6:41pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17936
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Noticing this thread pop up again makes me feel that I should "'fess up" and say that despite my anti-petrol comments I bought a petrol Grenadier after test driving it, and the petrol engine is divine, I absolutely love it and don't regret my choice in the least. The absence of an EGR and DEF are further advantages.
The petrol engine is thirstier than the diesel but the fuel slightly cheaper, and the Grenadier isn't economical on fuel with either so it makes little difference. The smile you get when you press the loud pedal hard, feel the front of the vehicle lift and the rear squat down, and realise what having more than twice the power of a tuned Defender on tap means, make fuel concerns unimportant. |
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