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Member Since: 16 Oct 2014
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
Vat reclaimable 2 seater.
It seems Ineos have made some changes to the 2 seat commercial version to satisfy HMRC and make it VAT reclaimable.
I didn’t know the original 2 seater wasn’t!

Introducing Grenadier Commercial. With a flat floor and a full-height cargo barrier behind the front seats, you’ll have over 2,000 litres of loadspace, and be able to carry a standard Euro pallet.

Aimed at businesses that need a capable 4X4, it boasts the same great capability and specification as the original 2-seater Utility Wagon it replaces. But with specific changes that mean HMRC has confirmed you’ll be able to reclaim VAT.



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Post #1033606 2nd May 2024 12:17pm
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geobloke



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That could be a very popular choice for companies and over landers alike...
Post #1033615 2nd May 2024 2:24pm
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mwestcrew



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 130 Puma 2.4 HCPU Baltic Blue
I’m placing an order. As soon as they open the order book. 2011 130 Utility Body
2005 110 Van
Post #1033617 2nd May 2024 2:32pm
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lightning



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Yes, at last! Too late for me but they will sell loads of these in the U.K. lt's still quite expensive (l priced one up with the absolute minimum options and it came to £67,000 including VAT)

The equivalent Defender 110 Commercial came to £64,000

So not much in it. At least now there's a choice. When l
bought my Defender Commercial back in 2022 the equivalent Grenadier would have cost me effectively £25,000 more.

Now the difference is a lot smaller and there are genuinely two choices for Commercial Vehicle buyers who want a vehicle like this.
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spudfan



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A bit more here
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/cars/news/ineos-...&ei=92 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai
Post #1034278 9th May 2024 11:31am
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custom90



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I have seen one, a couple around, but regularity pass one parked up.

I think they look quite good, a little more traditional and utility than the new Def.

Though better priced than the new Def I still think the prices are extraordinary.
That being said, Defenders never were cheap, but you get what you pay for. (And self maintain). Laughing Diesel$ Live$ Matter. ⛽️🛢️👨‍🔧🧰⚙️ RED, WHITE & BOOST! 🇬🇧


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Post #1034280 9th May 2024 12:00pm
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revd



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Saw plenty at Badminton Horse Trials yesterday- mainly on course as support vehicles, assume Ineos provided them FOC; I can get used to the way they look - I just feel they lack LR’s years of accumulated empirical knowledge that no amount of computer simulation can short cut (though sometimes I feel LR have forgotten much of what they know)
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Aintree Green
Except the Ineos was designed and engineered by MB Tech and Magna. The best suppliers in the industry were chosen to engineer and supply the components. Engines, BMW. Gearbox, ZF. Transfer box, Tremec. Etc.

https://www.ineos.com/news/shared-news/mbt...g-partner/

https://ineosgrenadier.com/en/us/news/ineo...evelopment

Meanwhile, the last vehicle Landrover designed with a separate chassis and live axles was released 26 years ago in 1998.
So yes, they have lost a lot of working knowledge and experience since then.
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revd



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I don’t doubt Ineos have bought in industry leading expertise and components. During BMW’s ownership of LR they mined the accumulation of data on spring and damper settings, gear ratios, nvh, etc as part of the development process for the X5- stuff that component suppliers wouldn’t have in depth knowledge of. Few of that generation of engineers remain at JLR, it’s all lifestyle, marketing and product alignment now, even the iconic green oval has been put on gardening leave
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