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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1568   
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Having spent the last 4 days towing with a 2.2 I do prefer it. Having driven land rovers for years my driving style has had to change. The only thing I don't like is the extra fuel it's using. Feel if you had stuck to another brand the figures would be in the 30's. But I'd rather pay for more fuel than go down the other routes also they wouldn't tow my trailer. It's a 3.5ton tipper.
We had a drag race at the yard the other day between the 2.2 90 xs and a 2.4 xtech. There was nothing in it. Also in the race was a 300 tdi which we left for dead. |
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25th May 2012 7:10pm |
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| chadjizz Member Since: 25 Apr 2012 Location: sussex Posts: 559  
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to be honest though, even if, say a hilux could pull more than the 2.2tonne limit it has it was use more fuel with the extra 1.3tonnes weight diff. i had a 2000 reg 2.5litter nissan navara before my 2.4 puma and that did about 10mpg with 2 tonne behind it!!! thats interesting about the speed diff, guessing you didnt race past 82mph 
would you say your 2.2 is more quiet compared to the 2.4? |
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25th May 2012 8:29pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1568
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The drag race was in a field so was not that fast.
I would not know about the 90 mph speed limiter as the uk limit is 70. I would guess that if someone did do above 82 it could explain a drop in mpg. It's loads more quiet, it has three layers of sound proofing on the bulkhead. My 2.4 had noise killer fitted and the 2.2 is still quieter, can't wait to fit noise killer as well. I wouldn't change for the sake of it from 2.4 but if it's time for you to change I wouldn't have second thought. |
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25th May 2012 9:09pm |
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| chadjizz Member Since: 25 Apr 2012 Location: sussex Posts: 559
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RobKeay whats noise killer?
im changing to a 130 as the hi cap single cab is not big enough any more. plus i do like the idea of a quieter and a little bit more refined drive....! iv put a deposit down on a new one, second hand 130's are just far too much. |
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25th May 2012 9:20pm |
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| RobKeay Member Since: 19 Jul 2009 Location: Stafford Posts: 1568
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Its a brand of sound proofing. It's simple stuff just stick the pre cut pieces on and away you go. Doesn't make a massive diffence but certainly knocks the edge of the noise.
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25th May 2012 11:09pm |
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| ZeDefender Member Since: 15 Sep 2011 Location: Munich Posts: 4731  
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Bear in mind that some on this forum have had power-loss problems in really hot weather. I love my Noisekiller but it really heat-insulates the engine block and once I removed mine the power came back (okay - so it was 30+ degrees outside). I don't think the 2.2 noise insulation has any heat-insulation effect. Tell someone you love them today because life is short. But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing... |
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26th May 2012 6:53am |
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| Grockle Member Since: 24 Nov 2008 Location: Peak District National Park Posts: 2266 
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Hi DG, Does the 2.2 engine cover fit straight on to the 2.4 without modifying etc. Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  2.4 90 XS
1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up. |
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26th May 2012 8:53am |
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| JSG Member Since: 12 Jul 2007 Location: Berkshire Posts: 2412 
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That is the six million dollar question we are are waiting to find the answer to  John
http://www.hampshire4x4response.co.uk 2011 Tdci 110 CSW XS |
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26th May 2012 12:54pm |
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| rover Member Since: 26 May 2012 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 146
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butter
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26th May 2012 9:17pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16979 
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But the short first gear is one of the things that makes it work so well in many of the 'working' applications! It simply reinforces the old adage that you can't please everyone all the time; for me, as one who often operates at GTW that low first is a godsend (also ideal for creeping along in traffic jams on tickover) and makes the TDCi much more usable than the tradition higher first and the need to do a low-to-high transfer shift on the move. Pulling away in 2nd is fine and I do it a lot if unladen, unless it is uphill. Just let the clutch in on tickover letting the anti-stall take care of the engine, then accelerate. If pulling away in 1st, again let the antistall take care of things until you're rolling and go for 2nd almost immediately. |
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29th May 2012 9:37am |
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| 22900013A Member Since: 23 Dec 2010 Location: Oxfordshire Posts: 3140 
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I agree with the sentiment that the 6 speed box is very similar to an HGV gearbox. Most lorries I driver are very low geared in 1st and 2nd, then get higher as you go 3, 4, 5, with 6 being pretty much just for speeds over 50 mph. Usual 56mph cruising revs is about 1800-1900 rpm so very close to the Pumas 2000rpm at 60mph.
I always use 1st gear to pull away from rest in my 110, and so far have had no clutch issues after 33,000+ miles. I wonder how well the clutches will fare with folks pulling away in 2nd? Many lorries have stickers in the cabs warning against doing just that as it shortens the clutch life. Then again, with six gears rather than 5 would the increased number of gearchanges decrease the clutch lifespan? |
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29th May 2012 10:58am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16979
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I don't really see why pulling away in second (under "low stress" conditions anyway) should do the clutch any harm on a Puma, since there is no need for any significant slipping. Whenever I pull away from rest in any vehicle I always (and have always) kept the revs as low as feasible, and then accelerate one the clutch is fully in (HGV style). I have removed clutches from vehicles where I have done well over 100k miles and there has been insignificant wear on the driven plate as a result. I also always double-declutch down changes (and quite often up changes) so there is really very little wear or clutch stress.
The anti-stall on the Puma actually means that you can be extremely gentle with the clutch when pulling away, which I believe to be sound practice since the clutch - even in the latest versions- is not famous for its robustness. My Puma had a new clutch a c.50k miles since, being a 2007 model, it originally had the one with springs made of cheese (and 50k miles wasn't bad going); since then it has done another 48k miles with no clutch problems despite regular 2nd gear starts. If towing, heavily laden or pulling away uphill I will always use first. |
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29th May 2012 11:47am |
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| chadjizz Member Since: 25 Apr 2012 Location: sussex Posts: 559
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talking of the clutch.....have they fixed the problem in the new 2.2 ? do they last longer...?
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29th May 2012 9:30pm |
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| spudfan Member Since: 10 Sep 2007 Location: Co Donegal Posts: 4522 
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Has it been out long enough to find out 
Seriously though the replacement clutch in my 2008 is going fine and no problems as yet with my 2011 2.4 model. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel 1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali 2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu 2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai |
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29th May 2012 9:40pm |
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