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jerseyman

Member Since: 21 Jul 2009
Location: Jersey
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2.2 or 2.4 ? and other questions

Followiing on from another thread I posted about comfort levels on the new TDCi, I am near the point of going for a new 90.

I have just had a call from the (apparently) only L-R salesman from the only dealer here, and he seems to share my concerns about the DPF on the new 2.2 for use in Jersey He reckoned that it may still be possible to get a 2.4 and is going to phone around.

I understand that the 2.2 is more refined than the 2.4 - one of the reasons that I fancy a TDCi in the first place. But are there any other reasons that MY2012 is preferable to MY2011?

As an aside I went to the showroom and they had a 110 XS there - but no salesman to ask questions of - so managed to have an uninterrupted look around it.

There was no plastic wheel arch protection fitted at the front, are these now omitted?

Has the chassis painting changed recently?, this one seemed to have a near gloss black finish not the satin I am used to.

(I have had a search but apologies if this has been covered before)

Brian

Brian

Last edited by jerseyman on 1st Nov 2011 6:33pm. Edited 1 time in total

1st Nov 2011 4:41pm

jst

Member Since: 14 Jan 2008
Location: Taunton
Posts: 7709

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Stornoway Grey

chassis is barely painted or anything else now days, so colour has changed, mostly due to lack of underseal!

i would be tempted to stay clear of anything with a DPF that doesnt get out and about for sustained periods. For jersey (30mph tops?) i wouldnt be buying a vehicle with a DPF.

on the other hand you can remove them! Cheers

James
110 XS Utility
130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making)
90 Puma Hardtop

1st Nov 2011 6:16pm

TJ101

Member Since: 30 May 2007
Location: Taunton Somerset
Posts: 3747

2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Re: 2.2 or 2.4 ? and other questions

jerseyman wrote:
. But are there any other reasons that MY2012 is preferable to MY2011?
Brian

Where did you get that impression from ??,, as it not

The other way round 2011MY all the way California F1, 75th 110 "Kermit", 50th Ann V8, 90 V8 Hybrid, 55 Series 1

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1st Nov 2011 7:29pm

isv

Member Since: 14 Feb 2010
Location: Worcestershire
Posts: 8

I faced the small dilemma last month.. Went for the 2.4 110 XS Utility and very happy with it... I got a great deal and easily saved enough to pay for my fuel for the next couple of years...

1st Nov 2011 7:51pm

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
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Re: 2.2 or 2.4 ? and other questions

jerseyman wrote:
...........

I understand that the 2.2 is more refined than the 2.4 - ..............

Where?

in my opinion 2.4 and 2.2 will be the same car.... Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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1st Nov 2011 8:28pm

Ads90

Member Since: 16 Jun 2008
Location: Cots-on-the-Wolds
Posts: 800

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 CSW Keswick Green

Re: 2.2 or 2.4 ? and other questions

dgardel wrote:
jerseyman wrote:
...........

I understand that the 2.2 is more refined than the 2.4 - ..............

Where?

in my opinion 2.4 and 2.2 will be the same car....

I think this is in reference to the 2.2 being fitted with a noise blanket/cover as standard.
It said this in the original marketing blurb.

1st Nov 2011 9:17pm

spudfan

Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
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I find the 2.4 Puma quite refined and quite. Any quieter and I'd be able to hear the Mrs. think. Bad enough being able to hear her talk.......

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1st Nov 2011 11:10pm

jerseyman

Member Since: 21 Jul 2009
Location: Jersey
Posts: 279

Thanks guys,

If the rumoured additional refinement of the 2.2 is down to an engine blanket then that would seem to be a bit of a non-event as I will fit a Noisekiller kit anyway.

Brian

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2nd Nov 2011 11:03am

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
Posts: 3586

Re: 2.2 or 2.4 ? and other questions

Ads90 wrote:
dgardel wrote:
jerseyman wrote:
...........

I understand that the 2.2 is more refined than the 2.4 - ..............

Where?

in my opinion 2.4 and 2.2 will be the same car....

I think this is in reference to the 2.2 being fitted with a noise blanket/cover as standard.
It said this in the original marketing blurb.

Nothing that you can not add on the 2.4........ Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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2nd Nov 2011 11:22am

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
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2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

it uses less oil.......6.2l Puma 110" SW

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2nd Nov 2011 12:44pm

Sockpuppet

Member Since: 17 Sep 2011
Location: Leicester
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Find someone with a 2.2 transit and ask them if the DPF have shagged itself in Jersey as it's the same engine.

2nd Nov 2011 1:31pm

dgardel

Member Since: 30 Nov 2008
Location: Veneto (Heart & Head)
Posts: 3586

Re: 2.2 or 2.4 ? and other questions

MK wrote:
it uses less oil.......

? Discovery 5 td6 HSE Stornoway Gray Outback Engineering Limited Edition

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2nd Nov 2011 3:39pm

jerseyman

Member Since: 21 Jul 2009
Location: Jersey
Posts: 279

Sockpuppet wrote:
Find someone with a 2.2 transit and ask them if the DPF have shagged itself in Jersey as it's the same engine.

That's exactly what I've asked the Dealer to do.

Brian

2nd Nov 2011 6:03pm

jerseyman

Member Since: 21 Jul 2009
Location: Jersey
Posts: 279

Right I have just had the salesman on the phone about the 2.2 DPF issue.

He has told me that the 2.2 is the same engine as in the Freelander 2 and they are not having problems with the DPF on those. Now it is my understanding that it is not - unless the 2.2 engine in the F2 is also a Transit engine?

When I queried it he says "that is what he was told by Landrover"

Can anyone shed any light on this?

Brian

4th Nov 2011 12:35pm

Martin
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Member Since: 02 Apr 2007
Location: Hook Norton
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2015 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 XS CSW Montalcino Red

Wrong - the 2.2 engine is NOT the PSA DW12 from the Freelander 2, it is a Ford Puma TDCi. The same basic engine as before.

1988 90 Td5 NAS soft top

2015 D90 XS SW

4th Nov 2011 12:37pm

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