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lightning



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Lifespan of the vehicle
Anyone hazard a guess as to the probable lifespan of a new Defender.

Obviously, the old version could last fifty years (and many have) but with new vehicles it's not so clear.
You see twenty year old Range Rovers still driving around.

But with a vehicle as complex as a new Defender it won't be something that the person who buys it in fifteen years for £5,000 will be able to repair themselves.

l wonder when we'll see the first Defender in a breakers yard, that hasn't been in an accident.


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ask the same question of the Hybrid Range Rovers that are sat in storage yards awaiting repair by Main Dealers ?

And they are only 6-7yrs old.
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I can’t see many passing the 10-12 year mark. Maybe those one owner vehicles that have been cared for - but the ones with multiple owners, very much doubt. 2008 2.4 110 Utility XS.
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lightning



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Years ago l used to frequent breakers yards for parts for my Triumph Vitesse.
All the cars in the yard were rusted out junk.

Nowadays if you visit a breakers (sadly you can't climb over the wrecks with a set of spanners like back then) it looks like a used car showroom with many modern vehicles that look better than the one on your driveway.

Many people these days don't want to be seen in a ten year old car, and it that car is a high end or complex one such as a hybrid or EV it will struggle to find an owner.


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lightning



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BrickBox wrote:
I can’t see many passing the 10-12 year mark. Maybe those one owner vehicles that have been cared for - but the ones with multiple owners, very much doubt.



l suppose that could help those who want to keep theirs going, by providing a source of second hand parts.
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Unless independent LR specialist invest in the knowhow to problem solve the computer systems then i cant imagine potential third or fourth owners wanting a complex vehicle and then having to use a main dealer for work.

Therefore its that tipping point over what's cheap to buy but too expensive to maintain question.

Didn't someone comment on here once that they were quoted almost a grand to replace rotors and pads.

How much would a full infotainment system cost, and that is if replacement parts are still available in ten years time.

Modern cars are in the same vein as mobile phones and laptops. Great when they are new, annoying when the tipping point is reached and a worthless brick when dead.

Only the current owner, their bank balance and the continued anti car money grabbing attitude of your local council can answer the question over longevity.
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How many P38s do you see on the road these days? 
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Only my brother's that he has had for 20+ years, and even then he had to buy a scrapper about 10 years ago to strip it for future parts.
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BrickBox



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Wales 2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver
Thankfully, the Defender gives me great confidence in availability for parts. 2008 2.4 110 Utility XS.
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lightning



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Didn't someone comment on here once that they were quoted almost a grand to replace rotors and pads.

l read that, so l checked and you can get aftermarket parts for around £200. Okay once the vehicle is out of warranty
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Cant wait for these guys to get their hands on the current Defender.

If anyone can keep it going ...... Whistle

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I know nothing



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Like all landrover from the series one to present day they will last as long as you keep bolting on new parts
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As above, a lot of series Land Rovers and early 90/110s are a bit like Triggers broom. 24MY 90 D250 HSE, Tasman Blue
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Newer vehicles are getting more and more complex in the electronics department. Some or most of electronic issues is beyond even some of the competent diyers (and dealers). 1988 90 Hard Top, 19J Diesel Turbo, Shire Blue - Restoration ongoing
2012 90 CSW, 2.2TDCI, Santorini Black
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The problem is likely to be parts supply rather than the ability to keep bolting them on. Once electronic modules become obsolete and go out of production, it's very difficult to have them recreated.

To a small extent, this has even affected the later original Defenders as the AS10 alarm module went out of production and a not wholly successful replacement (initially, at least) had to be cobbled together. It's also a problem with the BBUS modules. For the more integrated components in modern vehicles it'll be a nightmare. Darren

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