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Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
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JLR sued 2 pensioner enthusiasts for copyright infringements

"Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) sued two pensioner enthusiasts for copyright infringement after building a C-type replica in their home garage.

Having approved of and benefited from the replica community for decades, JLR is now launching their own continuation line of the C-type, showing a completely different attitude towards the classic car community. A Swedish pensioner couple, the Magnussons, experienced this shift firsthand, going from collaboration discussions with JLR in 2016 to being sued by them in 2018.

In a shocking court verdict in December, JLR won the copyright case, with devastating consequences both for the pensioner couple and for the global replica car community. The Magnussons C-type is deemed illegal and subject to destruction and they are required to pay JLR’s legal fees of £450 000 and damages, which in effect will drive the pensioners out of their home.

As for the replica community, the verdict in essence makes all C-type replicas unlawful to display, sell or use publicly, under threat of destruction. In addition, other car makers can use this precedent and claim copyright of other historic models, threatening tens of thousands other replicas of Ferrari, Aston Martin, Ford and the likes.

Everyone around the Magnussons with insight into the case are left baffled by the court’s decision, as well as shocked over how JLR is treating two senior lifelong supporters of the Jaguar brand and community. But the couple remain determined to continue the fight and are taking the case to the appeals court, confident that they have a strong case and hope to overthrow the initial verdict.

In this staggeringly uneven battle against a global corporation, the Magnussons have already put everything on the line. Please support us in raising funds for them to be able to continue the fight, for the good of the replica industry and so that they may be able to keep their home.

Enthusiasts worldwide are encouraged to share this and to donate any amount, however small. At the Go-Fund Me page https://gofund.me/f6916372"

https://www.facebook.com/SaveOurClassicCarReplicas/

Press Release makes very interesting reading:
https://lm.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2...knBBl1d9vw

11th Feb 2021 7:35am

Bluest

Member Since: 23 Apr 2016
Location: Lancashire
Posts: 3997

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I wonder what this means for those with very expensive and valuable replicas, like the Lynx D-Types? I have long hankered after a Lancia Stratos replica, companies have been making those for years with no problems and I hope it continues.

JLR are not the only ones at this. Merc went after Gullwing replicas a few years ago and got at least one destroyed.

It’s sad really, as long as you aren’t passing your replica off as genuine to make money or whatever, what harm does it do really? 2007 110 TDCi Station Wagon XS

11th Feb 2021 9:27am

Grenadier

Member Since: 23 Jul 2014
Location: The foot of Mont Blanc...
Posts: 5765

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Corris Grey

Shocking, but not unsurprising. Nothing surprises me with JLR anymore. People have questioned 'why now' and the only answer I can think of is JLR's continued obsession with upscaling their cars/Brand to aim at an ever more exclusive clientele. A new Defender beyond the reach of most owners of the previous Defender. Limited editions that cost fortunes. Interiors across the range that become more and more luxurious and move away from their grass roots (literally) heritage. And I think this smacks of the same mentality. A mentality that says we have to stamp out production of any (even private) replicas of the C-Type to ensure exclusivity of our newly announced 'authentic' C-Type relaunch. Lest Mr or Mrs Jones who had planned to spend millions on one of the JLR branded recreations decided instead to buy a 50k or 100k copy. The sort of person who spends millions on provenance doesn't think that way, but it is the only reason I can think of that would possess JLR to act like such a bully. Massive own goal. Massively bad PR. I like this brand less and less. British institution to i don't know what.

It would be bloody hilarious if Ratcliffe got hold of this and paid the Magnusson's fees for them.

This thread includes some thoughts from the Magnusson's daughter and another poster who has also gone through a full replica rebuild with JL's help and access to their records.

https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic....;t=1915912 Monsieur Le Grenadier

I've not been everywhere, but it's on my list.....

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11th Feb 2021 9:35am

markb110

Member Since: 22 May 2010
Location: Guildford
Posts: 2525

Yet the Chinese can do pretty much what they want .......

11th Feb 2021 9:37am

X4SKP

Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 2290

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It seems incredibly short sighted to me that JLR doesn't view the replica market as free endorsement of the brand.

I agree that you would want to stop someone setting up a small production run but the majority of the ground up
replica community should be admired even encouraged by JLR and factored into understanding your customers
not taken to court...

Lets hope this world can continue to allow the likes of Eagle and Singer...

SKIP
https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic83242.html

11th Feb 2021 10:17am

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Grenadier wrote:
I like this brand less and less.

My way of looking at this is that the current senior management at JLR, and even Tata's ownership is but a transitory phase in the history of the brand. They can tarnish it whilst it's in their hands but there's so many enthusiasts that will get it shining again with a bit of a lick and polish (not £500 ceramic coatings).

11th Feb 2021 10:53am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
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This is not good for PR and will not win them any friends.

I wonder where the dividing line lies between making a replica vehicle and supplying replica parts for genuine vehicles. Could this stop people making chassis, body panels, etc. I wonder?

11th Feb 2021 11:20am

Philip

Member Since: 09 Mar 2018
Location: England
Posts: 510

Most major manufacturers have been doing this for years - Mercedes and Ferrari are very litigious about “replicas”, for example.

11th Feb 2021 11:48am

Gareth

Member Since: 12 Dec 2011
Location: Bramhall
Posts: 1038

So, what’s the difference here between two old guys making a Jag, and Ineos copying an old Defender?

Didn’t LR try to sue Ineos but lost? 2021 Defender 110 X-Dynamic HSE D300 MHEV
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11th Feb 2021 12:34pm

LandRoverAnorak

Member Since: 17 Jul 2011
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Regardless of your views on the styling, Ineos are not building a replica Defender. Darren

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11th Feb 2021 1:00pm

Supacat

Member Since: 16 Oct 2012
Location: West Yorkshire
Posts: 11018

Gareth wrote:
So, what’s the difference here between two old guys making a Jag, and Ineos copying an old Defender?

Didn’t LR try to sue Ineos but lost?

A High Court judge dismissed an appeal by JLR after the UK Intellectual Property Office (IPO) refused to issue a trademark for the model. Ineos had opposed the filing.

https://www.defender2.net/forum/topic70401...p;start=15

11th Feb 2021 2:08pm

familymad

Member Since: 13 Dec 2011
Location: Bucks
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Really sad about the financial action taken on that couple. Life changing. 1951 80" S1 2.0
1995 110 300TDI
1995 90 300TDI

11th Feb 2021 4:58pm

Slideywindows

Member Since: 09 Sep 2016
Location: North Essex
Posts: 1283

Supacat wrote:
Grenadier wrote:
I like this brand less and less.

My way of looking at this is that the current senior management at JLR, and even Tata's ownership is but a transitory phase in the history of the brand. They can tarnish it whilst it's in their hands but there's so many enthusiasts that will get it shining again with a bit of a lick and polish (not £500 ceramic coatings).

I sincerely hope you are right Supacat.

11th Feb 2021 6:13pm

Moneypit

Member Since: 27 Feb 2018
Location: North Yorkshire
Posts: 271

Is this why JLR bought Bowler?

11th Feb 2021 7:55pm

walfy

Member Since: 29 Aug 2007
Location: Frome
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In a similar theme, there is a youtube channel called B is for Build. He builds some awesome cars. His current supercar build is to compete in the Mint 400.
Anyway I digress. He did a body swap and built an ELeanor. Old body but all the underpinnings of a new car. The owner of the Eleanor franchise has copywritten the name.
Took him to court and won. He had to crush the car and remove all the youtube videos of how he did it.
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11th Feb 2021 9:50pm

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