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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3321  
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My 2.2 (MY2015) also takes forever to heat up. I've had it back at the main dealers twice and they are adamant there is nothing wrong. Running my torque app I can keep an eye on the exact coolant temperature. Some mornings it does take 10 miles to get up to 85-90deg, mainly on A roads and thru town. Once I get to the motorway it gets up to temp pretty quick.
I've had 3 other pumas (2.4 and 2 x 2,2) and I'm fairly sure they didn't take this long. I'm dropping it in at an Independant garage next week for a 2nd opinion. Doors, yep my 2 rear doors need a good slam to shut first time 
Remap - Had mine done to 170 bhp, (although I'm not sure it's 100% necessary, it does make it nicer to drive although still not that quick. 0-60 is around 12-13 seconds. Post switch off - yep, there are various threads on here about what goes on after you switch off, usually referred to as 'chukka chukka'  |
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18th Jan 2016 3:13pm |
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| jimbob7 Member Since: 06 Jul 2013 Location: uk Posts: 2055 |
Need to sell |Defender for a Ford Fiesta.. Pov.spec,ftw. 2006, 110,TD5.
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18th Jan 2016 3:17pm |
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| rustyboxx Member Since: 08 Oct 2012 Location: Poole Posts: 548 
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I have the same temp issue on my 2.2.
Did a 4 mile journey this morning in average town traffic conditions and watched the temp sit happily at 46c. Heater output was luke warm at best. My 2.4 doing the same journey would have the heater at leg scalding temp. I think a trip to the dealer and getting them to check the engine thermostat is required as the temp does seem rather low. 2015 90 XS CSW TDCi - Beautiful 2007 110 XS DCPU - An itch that needed scratching 2005 90 Td5 XS CSW - Utterly brilliant 2001 Discovery 2 ES Auto - A phase I went through 1996 90 Tdi CSW - Uber reliable 1989 90 2.5 Petrol Hardtop - My first proper Landy 1985 Range Rover Vogue V8 -Troublesome |
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18th Jan 2016 3:48pm |
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| rallysteve Member Since: 10 Feb 2014 Location: Cumbria Posts: 2200 
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The noise after switch off is most likely the electrically operated egr valve doing a 'clean' cycle.
Not hugely familiar with the 2.2 in the defender but am familiar with the slightly older version in fords and jaguars. In which case it is worth looking if the water pump has a small black plastic elbow near the top. If so then this is actually a second thermostat which controlls coolant flow to the oil cooler. In jaguars in particular this thermostat can fail which slows warm up substantially and engine rarely reaches temp. My 2.2 xtype used to drop back off the cold end of the gauge on the motorway until i swapped it. Steve 02' 110 TD5 Double Cab Rebuild Thread 84' 90 3.9 V8 Caged Pickup Build Thread - Now For Sale |
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18th Jan 2016 3:59pm |
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| LEZ Member Since: 22 Oct 2015 Location: London Posts: 163
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Xpertoftheseas - I had the same problem with my new 90 Landmark, I had to 'slam' the drivers door really hard so that it closed. Took it to the dealers and the mechanic adjusted the catch in 2 minutes, its now fine. Suggest you don't live with the faults, just persevere with the dealer. Good luck.
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18th Jan 2016 5:48pm |
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| Orangesofa Member Since: 10 Oct 2014 Location: Somerset Posts: 214 
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My 2013 takes between 7 and 8 miles of A/B road driving to get the temp to the mid-point where it sits for the rest of my journey. This has been consistent when the outside temp has been sub 5 deg.
My doors need a bit of a slam but I have put it down to air pressure. If I crack a window open an inch and try it again and it shuts neatly and easily first time. i might have a look at the alignment just in case I am missing a trick. Phil |
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18th Jan 2016 6:19pm |
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| xpertoftheseas Member Since: 05 Jan 2016 Location: Salisbury, Wilts Posts: 164 
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Wow - Many thanks to all of you for the quick and detailed replies! It is very much appreciated.
Looks like a trip back to the dealers to take advantage of the factory warranty. Will get back and reply once completed. Again - you guys are amazing - thanks for all the advice. BR Simon My 10th Land Rover, but my first Defender. |
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18th Jan 2016 7:09pm |
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| JAY BOY Member Since: 04 May 2010 Location: Not here Posts: 1706 
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Hi
My 2.2 is the same with temperature. i went for a drive yesterday and it was ok after about 5 miles. stopped to get it washed and in the 10 mins i was there with the engine running the temp dropped to cold and the heating was luke warm at best. Looks like there all the same. Get he doors looked as mine passengers door was bad and they sorted it out on a warranty visit. You don't mention and leaks your one lucky man  |
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18th Jan 2016 11:06pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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Adjusting the door latch really is childs play and hardly worth the diesel to get to take it to a dealer but bear in mind that the door seals will be stiffer in the cold which obviously has an effect on how hard you have to slam the door. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. Last edited by Happyoldgit on 19th Jan 2016 5:33pm. Edited 1 time in total |
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19th Jan 2016 12:37pm |
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| Nevillerover Member Since: 14 Feb 2015 Location: Suffolk Posts: 224 
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try not slamming the doors from 45 degrees, just pull them to about 25 - 50mm and then giving a purposeful tug. slamming like you would a car doesn't work.
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19th Jan 2016 2:09pm |
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| andydef90 Member Since: 09 Feb 2015 Location: yorkshire Posts: 617 
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mines the same they cool down quick I adjusted my doors a little myself not hard to do enjoy your defender welcome to a fantastic world
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19th Jan 2016 3:06pm |
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| Pickles Member Since: 26 May 2013 Location: Melbourne Posts: 3753  
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Absolutely correct,...Defender doors are "different". We find that when closing when leaving the vehicle, a short sharp purposeful "push" from around 12" (from closed position) whilst holding, pushing, & maintaining pressure on the door handle will do the job, similarly, when closing from inside, a short sharp "pull" from around 12", maintaining pulling pressure on the door handle will again do the job. Slamming does not work,..except to damage your doors. Pickles. |
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19th Jan 2016 10:08pm |
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| xpertoftheseas Member Since: 05 Jan 2016 Location: Salisbury, Wilts Posts: 164
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So... this morning it was -4c here. I went out to the Defender and pushed the remote to open the doors, got in and started the engine to get the windows cleared whilst I loaded the kids. Noticed that the doors had locked automatically. Stopped the engine and removed the keys, and pushed the open button again and the doors unlocked. Thinking I must have pushed the button by accident, I started the Defender again and got out and shut the door - only to hear the central locking lock the doors! So - engine running and all doors locked with nobody inside, with three kids complaining that they were cold and to let them in.
With my already fried brain, along with the -4c temperature, I was beginning to wonder what I was going to do. Please remember that I have had Range Rovers for years, and it did not dawn on me to use the spare key to open the drivers door (for those that do not know, there are no keys/locks on the recent Range Rovers except under a little piece of plastic which you forget about - which I did). Took me 20 mins to realise.. which I am sure many of you will find amusing. By that time I had loaded everyone in the Leaf and was ready to leave. So - eventful morning. The afternoon was not so eventful, but it did highlight my concern with the engine temp. This is the gauge after 25 mins and 8 miles of B roads. Click image to enlarge I stopped to wait for the kids to come out of school, and left the engine running whilst I sat in the car aiming for a winning bid on a Dixon Bate pintle hitch (which I won for £46 - not such a bad day after all). I was in the car for maybe 10 mins - engine running... and the gauge looks like this... Click image to enlarge Bare in mind that these pics were taken 15 mins apart, engine on idle with heater fan on 1 (full heat). 4c outside temp. Defender is booked into Westover LR next week for them to look at and sort this and the door issue out. They can also look at the central locking issue also. I still love it... just not going to clean it as punishment. (Just in case the sharp eyes see the difference in the diesel level - I was parked on a hill the first pic, and second pic I stopped 30 meters up the road on the flat when I remembered to take another photo) Simon My 10th Land Rover, but my first Defender. |
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19th Jan 2016 11:01pm |
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| camelman Member Since: 27 Feb 2013 Location: Peak District Posts: 3321
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Your temperature illustrations are almost identical to those I'm seeing (and a few others on here by the sounds of it).
Mine's been back in twice for it and they are saying there is no problem, they want it back in again for a day but don't know if I can be ar5ed to go through the whole carry on again, will stick it in at the indies next time I'm in there. Yeah the central locking can do that when it's cold, I've had it do it on a couple of them now, something to do with the actuators freezing up I believe. Dealer sorted it both times. |
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20th Jan 2016 12:28pm |
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