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Stacey007



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Possible Snow next weekend, how to tow someone if needed?
OK,


So I now own a 4x4 that can go almost anywhere, and I live on a hill which over the years when it snows (even a little covering) means that almost anything rear wheel drive or wide tyres struggles. I've lost count how many cars I've helped push up with neighbours...

If needed and the 'truck' is used to pull a car / van up what do I need to do with my car? just leave it its normal daily setting and attach a tow rope.

Do I need to use the low range / etc...

I know to you guys this may seem basic, and I do need to go on a course or be shown what they do... I don't also however want to look stupid if I offer help and get it wrong....


Thanks
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LRmud



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I think the best way to handle a situation like this is to be honest with the poor stuck individual. He/she will usually just be glad that someone has offered to help.

Depending on steepness of the hill and how slippy it is, will dictate what gear/range you need to be in.

Diff Lock ON for sure.

I'd use 1st Gear - "normal" range to start with, unless it's a 1 in 6 and sheet ice!

Best of luck and well done for having some of that rare "community spirit" - more like you required.

ATB
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Post #473229 16th Nov 2015 9:35pm
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GREENI



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Stick it in difflock, then engage smug mode.

I spent a night towing people up a steep hill one night. I made sure THEY attach their tow eye if they wanted to be towed up, I got around £60 cash, lots of thank yous and a hot date from a girl in a Mini Cooper.... Mr. Green
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Brewstop



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Some professional instruction will answer all your questions.

http://www.allterrainservices.co.uk Sandy
Post #473232 16th Nov 2015 9:37pm
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Stacey007



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Thanks all.

Over the year(s) myself and a neighbour actually enjoy it...

I will have a read, Its not 'that' steep but always amazes us how many cars with a little dusting get stuck.

roll on the snow Smile
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mick



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IMO probably easier and less hassle to let them get on with it Wink unless there in any danger of being left stranded out in the wildes
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mick



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IMO probably easier and less hassle to let them get on with it Wink unless there in any danger of being left stranded out in the wildes
Post #473237 16th Nov 2015 9:43pm
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Happyoldgit



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Ah yes, when it snows or gets a bit slippy you are everyones friend. We've all done it but these days people are much quicker to take legal action if anything goes pear shaped. Not to be a killjoy unless you know what you are doing or it's a life and death situation get yourself some proper instruction, decent kit and make sure your insurance will cover any mishaps. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades.
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LRmud



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^^^^ As I said "some of that rare "community spirit" - more like you required" Rolling Eyes --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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ian series 1



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Steve has a very valid point.
The last heavy snowfall a few years ago saw many people claiming on the insurance of the person that "helped them"
With the likes of damaged bumpers, wheels etc.

I know someone who towed a stuck car out, only to have them plough into the back of them.
The good deed, soon becomes a bit of a headache.

I wouldn't say don't help out, but be carefully as an innocent act of kindness can cause no end of problems. 80" 80" 86" 88" 90"

Wanted, Forward Control Anything considered.
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JAY BOY



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One tip

Before helping anyone go out on your own and have a play.
The car is very good and capable in all sorts of snow but you will need to practice before helping others. Thumbs Up
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Happyoldgit



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Is that aimed at me LRmud?

Nothing to do with community spirit, I did say life and death - but the AA or RAC I ain't. Steve.
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custom90



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MOG (Steve) Is right, I've been there done that and had a busted wheel arch spat to prove it. Cost me £100 doing it myself which I could have done without.
New parts and painted for me etc you'd be talking £200 at least and that's minor damage too.
Guy promised he'd cover the cost and never heard back as expected.
I took the risk once and got punished for it all be it accidental.
If it wasn't for the moron getting it on with his bit in the side down a muddy lane then getting an AA man stuck to boot I'd have not bothered anyway.


And no vehicle is infallible on ice, someone else could ruin your pride and joy if you don't possibly even right it off if your not careful.

Recovery wise I'd avoid kinetic ropes, they have their place in some circumstances but they can be highly dangerous.
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LRmud



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No, Mr Steve, I was aiming my comment primarily at Mr Mick.

I find it surprising, perhaps I'm naïve. No intention to offend anyone.
Where I live, I do not believe anyone would sue anyone for helping them out - period.
I have never heard of this happening to anyone else I know either. Thumbs Up --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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X4SKP



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Hello All

When I first passed my driving test... Very Happy
My father suggested that we both aim to pass our advanced driving test... Shocked

We did this over the winter...

To this day I still remember one piece of advice I was given when driving in snow,
that despite the advent of increasingly sophisticated ABS, Traction Control and
Hill Decent features remains a simple way to ensure a high degree of safety...
(If that's what you want... Whistle )

Drive without using your Breaks... Shocked

Applies mainly to manual cars (normal Defenders) that retain a degree of engine breaking (when off the 'gas')
it is possible to drive without using your breaks, well almost...I concede that you would apply them to bring the car to rest in the last few meters.

The thinking is if you adjust your driving style to try and not use your Breaks...then it's difficult to get caught out... Thumbs Up

Same applies when towing someone...

Old school towing would require the person being towed to slow and bring to rest both vehicles...keeping the rope taut, different now, depending on vehicle with power assisted breaks that can be very compromised if the engine is not running.

Driving and slowing down without breaking gives the towed vehicle plenty of time to see what is going on...
just slightly depress the break pedal to light up the break lights (but not break) and signal to them to break their own vehicle (even by using the hand break if necessary).

One for shock value... Shocked
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