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| zone30 Member Since: 07 Sep 2012 Location: Gent Posts: 669   
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Is there such a thing?
Lockable for on-road use, unlockable for off-road use... (of course) |
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20th Mar 2015 11:46am |
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| zone30 Member Since: 07 Sep 2012 Location: Gent Posts: 669
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Belgian MOT...
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20th Mar 2015 2:02pm |
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| shaggydog Member Since: 12 Aug 2012 Location: Kent Posts: 3346  
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But surely the alternative is standard spring setup in which the top is free to do as it wishes anyway?
Can't see the issue there  Running Restoration Thread http://www.defender2.net/forum/post323197.html#323197
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20th Mar 2015 2:03pm |
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| davew Member Since: 02 Jan 2012 Location: North Yorkshire Posts: 888  
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Point out that they are not "dislocation" cones, they are relocation cones. They don't allow the spring to dislocate because the spring can do that when it comes out of the factory. All the cones do is make sure that when the spring comes back up it relocates into the correct place. If your MOT tester fails the vehicle for having them then he/she has failed to grasp the design of the vehicle. There is nothing on a standard Defender to hold the top of the spring in place other than the proportion of the weight of the vehicle that is on top of it. Locking the top of the spring in place will bend the bottom retaining bar and eventually allow the bottom of the spring to come away from the axle and when that happens the relocation may well miss the axle completely. Bottom mounted relocation cones (which are better in my view) might cause your MOT man to question it as that is a change to the way the spring is mounted and works but a top mounted relocation cone has absolutely no effect on the suspension configuration in normal operation. http://www.yorkshireoffroadclub.net/ |
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20th Mar 2015 2:52pm |
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| ex_mod_90 Member Since: 06 Dec 2013 Location: Cheshire Posts: 9 
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I have used these with great success:
http://www.gwynlewis4x4.co.uk/product/chal...ed-110130/ Problem I found with the reverse type, as described above was the spring missing the cone when relocating in thick mud. Once I changed to the Gwyn type in the link above, no further problems. Rich |
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20th Mar 2015 11:06pm |
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| landy andy Member Since: 15 Feb 2009 Location: Ware, Herts Posts: 5422 
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On a standard setup relocation is not required as the spring can not dislocate, due to the length of the damper, so no clamp, or relocator needed. I thought dislocating suspension was not allowed in the uk either, but I run Gwyn Lewis challenge kit so the spring is caught by the relocator, so does not dislocate.
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21st Mar 2015 2:01pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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Don't you just want a set that come with the check strap that will limit drop?
Who had the set that had a snap hook type arrangement for de-coupling when you did go off road? |
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22nd Mar 2015 11:46am |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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the check strap set up was more for if you needed to jack the car up to change a wheel , then you put the strap on so you could get the wheel off the ground with normal jack
something people don't think about when they fit longer shockers , but they find out when stuck with a puncture at side of road and you cant get enough height to change the wheel 
ok if you got a under axle jack if not your  !
and to get the height with a hi-lift jack its too unstable for my liking |
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22nd Mar 2015 12:08pm |
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| zone30 Member Since: 07 Sep 2012 Location: Gent Posts: 669
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I like those! Yet another question: what else is required to have full use of such a system? Longer shocks, I understand, but do you need to extends stuff (e.g. brake lines) like with a lift? I am not a fan of lifting but is it so that with relocating cones you will keep the car more level on a side slope? That's my main reason why I am looking at this feature... Had some scary moment a few months back, especially with the top weight: Click image to enlarge |
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22nd Mar 2015 12:33pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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could be a different question there
if your on a steep sideways slope then really you want as much weight as possible pulling the defender back over so would it be better not to have wheel resting on the ground and instead the weight of the wheel pulling body back , maynot be that much weight but it all must help I think the axles dropping is more for traction then stability as for traction if there is no weight pushing that wheel down its not going the help much anyway really you need active suspension to help there as in air suspension but that a whole new ball game then ! |
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22nd Mar 2015 1:15pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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lateral thinking - was trying to solve Op's issue with Belgian MOT... |
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22nd Mar 2015 9:18pm |
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| munch90 Member Since: 26 Oct 2013 Location: guildford Posts: 3558
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I know what you mean , to stop axle dropping on mot maybe , but do they jack up on the body for mot over there , if they jack on the axle like here then they would not know if the axle drops or not
dont know anything about Belgium mot procedure but i think he is thinking about fitting them for the wrong reason as he is on about on a side ways slope and i think that it would make things worse for sideways stability |
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22nd Mar 2015 9:30pm |
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| zone30 Member Since: 07 Sep 2012 Location: Gent Posts: 669
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Bad idea, got it
Thx! |
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23rd Mar 2015 11:37pm |
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| Mo Murphy Member Since: 01 Jun 2008 Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts Posts: 2079 
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You could always take all that unnecessary weight off the top.
Just trying to help
Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen. |
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