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X4SKP



Member Since: 29 Nov 2013
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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
ICON D90 Land Rover LS3 V8
Hi All,

Worth a look...IMO done really nicely too.



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Post #330632 12th May 2014 8:23pm
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BigM



Member Since: 12 Nov 2011
Location: Nairobi
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Kenya 1985 Defender 110 300 Tdi HCPU Auto Bonatti Grey
Hi

With all dues respect, I beg to disagree.

IMO, it is not only unnecessarily over the top, but the result is just vulgar.

If Solihull could have sold its Defender at the price this guy demands, it would also have produced a handful, and probably with better materials and reliability, just like Jonathan Ward now retails his "déjŕ vu" icon style to his nouveaux riches customers.

At the beginning, there was a good straight D90, in a classic colour that a one off client wanted customised. Ward's treatment resulted in this pathetically looking dark Dinky Toy, sorry Hot-Wheels rehash, only at home along a Californian freeway. For instance, replacing the simple dash with a metal piece, looking as if it has been transplanted from a diner, displays Ward's ignorance of history and foreign design culture.

Mind you from knowing his production, there is no denial that Ward knows how to put cars back on modern roads. Yet he should stick to US and Japanese vehicles, closer to his American education. When he works on US cars of the 50s Ward iseems more a ease and sure of his choices.

Regarding this Land Rover, he knows he has done something inappropriate when he asks the "Roverists", as he calls us, not to send him hate mail. So when I first saw this video a few weeks ago, I did not write to,him, but since a fellow forum member posted about it, I decided I would share my thoughts, but only here.

I am also conscious that everyone is free, entitled his opinion and taste.

Best,

BigM
Post #330673 12th May 2014 10:13pm
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JR



Member Since: 07 Dec 2012
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Scotland 1984 Defender 90 200 Tdi SW Coniston Green
Quality finish!

Looks like it's a part time 4x4 system, the front hubs look like they have free wheeling hubs!

Rather like the air con fitment too.
Post #330677 12th May 2014 10:19pm
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Cheshire110



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^ couldn't disagree more!!!

The beauty of a defender is that it can be whatever your vision for it is, and there's no denying the engineering/design work that's gone into it is top notch, even if not exactly to everyone's taste (not a fan of the bumpers)

Think the interior is really good, looks like how LR should have made it to be honest! Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #330680 12th May 2014 10:26pm
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Cheshire110



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JR, I agree, you jumped between my post and the one I was replying to Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #330681 12th May 2014 10:27pm
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charliebaja



Member Since: 05 Aug 2013
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United Kingdom 2002 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Zermatt Silver
Looks ok, not sure about the large front bumper and the side skirts. I bet she roars loudly and comes at a hefty price!
Post #330682 12th May 2014 10:28pm
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BigM



Member Since: 12 Nov 2011
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Kenya 1985 Defender 110 300 Tdi HCPU Auto Bonatti Grey
I don't want to offend anyone. But re. your conclusion, the opposite is my point. The Sollihul engineers could not use the better design and materials they knew well. If they had as they wanted too, then their vehicles would have been more expensive than they already were at the time.

Twenty five years ago, I ran a 35 One Ten fleet in Darfur, Sudan. There, fine sand and a lack of everything thousands miles around, "ate" at my Land Rovers, especially the diesel injectors failing one by one. So much so that two LR technicians were sent to me. When they finally reached me in Nyala, a little concerned with the civil war, they enquired if my workshop manager was using the recommended Land Rover "R & R" policy. I asked if they meant "Rest $ Recreation" - which my team and I were in great need of. They replied that it meant "Remove & Replace". At US$ 800 for each fuel injector pump assembly reaching me in Darfur and with these new parts failing within months in the unforgiving Sudan desert, I wondered how a company could get its design so wrong until I realized it was all about economics. I spare you the rest of the conversation ... IMO, it is not a question of design or workmanship but one of financial resources. Hence my points re. Ward and his comments on LR poor design.

This just for the sake of debate.

BM
Post #330685 12th May 2014 11:19pm
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ericvv



Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
Whether you like this conversion or not (I do), you must admit that the USA really is the country where just everything is possible. For a one off conversion like this one, there is not much that you can call amateuristic or tasteless. This is pure class in my opinion. Only in California... Thumbs Up You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw
Post #330690 13th May 2014 5:06am
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LR90XS2011



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green
Personally I like it and Id love the engine and axles in a truck of mine DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy
Post #330692 13th May 2014 6:33am
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pob1968



Member Since: 20 Apr 2014
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I like it, I bet it goes like stink Smile 110 Hardtop
Post #330698 13th May 2014 7:34am
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Cuthbert



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In design terms - vulgar - don't think they quite get Defender evolution. California is better at producing high quality prunes to keep things moving in the desired direction.
Post #330766 13th May 2014 4:29pm
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CR



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Ireland 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 CSW Santorini Black
I followed this build from the start and I think he has brought a fresh design approach to the 90. He is the only one in the world that has not been a sheep and has actually designed new components and has looked for better solutions.

We have all seen 1000's of defenders but never to this quality.

With all due respect to all the other custom companies in the UK all they do is purchase different wheels, front grille a bit of leather maybe paint the bonnet and fit a new stereo ! what Mr Ward does is on a whole different level, he is an artist and a genius, when I win the lotto he will be my first phone call

CR

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Post #330767 13th May 2014 4:35pm
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X4SKP



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United Kingdom 2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 SW Stornoway Grey
Hello All,

Improving the Defender...

The Defender works for me because…
a. it’s basically strong enough.
b. it’s remains simple enough to allow hands on involvement.
c. it’s adaptable enough to be fit for purpose.

I would argue the ‘Defender’ has survived as a concept because of the fact it was essentially right at its market launch and has been adapted, sometimes ingeniously, often by its owners, to go in numerous directions ever since, hopefully, retaining in most cases, its core attributes, and without diluting the ‘Land Rover look’.

The ‘Defender’ has been my main drive for 25 years now... as an industrial designer, there have been
numerous times, that I have been frustrated at the slow pace of the Defenders NPD (new product development) and have been forced to take matters into my own hands, to make up the short-fall, water ingress, sound proofing, lighting, corrosion prevention, security...it’s a long list Exclamation

One area I had to wait for... the Defender is supposed to be a go (almost) anywhere, four season vehicle, and good visibility I would argue is a must have requirement, why did it take Land Rover so long to get a reasonable level of heating, air conditioning and demisting sorted in the Defender Question

So I would argue a more ‘evolutionary approach’, taken by other car manufactures, would probably have been
a better route to take for the Defender. If true, Land Rover is now in the position where there is just too much to change to keep the Defender (we love) viable and legal. To make (keep) the Defender a credible internationally sold vehicle it now needs, it would appear, a full redesign.

I would hazard a guess that what current Land Rover-Defender owners are concerned about is that the Defender replacement will be...
a. too complicated and therefore too expensive.
b. less adaptable for anyone other than LR and ‘specialists’ to get their hands on.
c. the evolutionary visual step taken will not be judged correctly.

The DC100 may end up as no more of a ‘step change’ as the ‘evolution’ between the Series III Land Rover and the Defender... time will tell.

The Defender (for its numbers) has supported a large aftermarket ‘modification’ industry that provides a tailored solution for everything from overland expeditions to trialing, from work-horse preparation to just ‘sorting’ a more comfortable-adventurous long distance explorer (my fit for purpose Thumbs Up ).

When altered its true aesthetics play a factor here too, and there are some poor examples out there that demonstrate, the basic style, I would say beauty, of the base Defender has been lost.

This ICON bespoke build will always be judged both objectively and subjectively by the likes of us, but what
I like, when done well, by skilled craftsmen, is a fit for purpose, quality ‘alteration’.

This took real effort, I love the interior in particular, I’d give it room in my garage Exclamation
It needs the Californian weather to be really useful though...


Land Rover need to continually improve the base offer, but for Defenders in particular LR should 'allow'
even encourage the custom preparation of their vehicles to fit the multi-purpose uses their owners require. SKIP
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Post #330786 13th May 2014 6:00pm
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mk1collector



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England 2004 Defender 110 Td5 CSW Bonatti Grey
Standard front bumper and it'd be great.
Post #330790 13th May 2014 6:27pm
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custom90



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Or D44 front bumper.
Post #330792 13th May 2014 6:36pm
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