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dnorrishill



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Found this on the internet today...
Sounds a bit vague, but positive that something will eventually materialize.

http://www.caradvice.com.au/251444/land-ro...s-silence/
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K9F



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Nothing new I'm afraid. I reckon the Defender's here to stay in it's current form for significantly more than the stated two years to come personally. If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!

Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!!
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jav-uk



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England 2014 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Alpine White
Thanks for the link, shame there's not much detail... PR are not wanting to divert attention from the new up market toys that JLR are launching. I like the new Pikes Peak ad for new RR Sport, great that there's a Defender already waiting at the top when RRS arrives, now were they racing? Whistle

I noticed at the Frankfurt motor show the bonnet lettering changed to

D E F E N D E R

Is this a hint of what to expect in 2015.... Anyone got any F's

PS. Off topic, If you have info/ordered the New Bowler Defender, please PM details Paul

Pondering a New 90 Commercial
2020 Evoque
* 2014 110 SW JE Stage 2.
*2010 110 Utility. JE Stage 2.
*2007 110 SW
*2003 90 JE Stage 2.
*2000 90 SW

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Post #266329 13th Sep 2013 2:44pm
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AndrewS



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You will see the LAND ROVER disappear from all bonnets. LAND ROVER will be replaced with the model ie DISCOVERY FREELANDER DEFENDER
Post #266402 13th Sep 2013 6:41pm
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Sockpuppet



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K9F wrote:
Nothing new I'm afraid. I reckon the Defender's here to stay in it's current form for significantly more than the stated two years to come personally.


Does anyone know when it can't be sold in the UK anymore? I.e. what is the date the last of the defenders will be registered?
Post #266420 13th Sep 2013 7:26pm
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22900013A



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Keswick Green
If for some reason the Defender has to go out of production due to legislative requirements you can pretty much kiss goodbye to any kind of commercial vehicle. Flat fronts, no airbags, that par for the course with commercials. Landrover have been saying for at least TWENTY YEARS that the Defender would have to go out of production due to incoming legislation, I have the old copies or LRO to prove it.
Landrover investigated fitting airbags in the the 1990s to comply with US regs, the answer to that was that it would make the vehicle too expensive, not that it couldn't be done, it just wasn't feasible cost-wise. 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"
Post #266461 13th Sep 2013 9:09pm
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AndrewS



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Sockpuppet wrote:
K9F wrote:
Nothing new I'm afraid. I reckon the Defender's here to stay in it's current form for significantly more than the stated two years to come personally.


Does anyone know when it can't be sold in the UK anymore? I.e. what is the date the last of the defenders will be registered?


All they have to do is keep changing the vehicle to meet the relative requirements as they have been doing over the last few years. Clearly at some point there wont be a viable 'work round' for instance when commercial vehicles have to have airbags fitted.
Post #266520 14th Sep 2013 6:38am
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LandRoverAnorak



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Quote:
The current Defender – a vehicle that can trace its roots back to 1948 – will cease production in a little over two years’ time due to tightening safety and emissions regulations in Europe.


According to this quote from that article, around the end of 2016. Darren

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Post #266526 14th Sep 2013 6:48am
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22900013A



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AndrewS wrote:
Clearly at some point there wont be a viable 'work round' for instance when commercial vehicles have to have airbags fitted.


Please see my comment above, they had a solution for that in the mid-1990s! 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"
Post #266544 14th Sep 2013 7:33am
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Landyphil



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United Kingdom 2003 Defender 110 Td5 USW Stornoway Grey
^ Have to totally agree. This line they keep trotting out about it not passing the "next" standard of type approval is bobbins and has been for years.

Type approved as a commercial if the Defender can't make it then neither will most commercials.

Would be better if JLR just admitted that making the Defender is too hard and they can't be bothered anymore. More do to with bean counters than emissions counters..... 90XS Tdci John Eales
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Post #267293 16th Sep 2013 9:03pm
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Pickles



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Can't see how it will be a big priority for JLR. Article says they're selling 20,000 p.a......they ain't.....they sold 16000 last year...World wide, and 100,000+ Evoques, & what 40/50,000 Range Rovers, so on a business case alone, it can't possibly be a priority.
But, Geez, I gotta say, whilst I'm sure that "something" is happening, JLR are very good at keeping secrets, because so far, not one scrap of FACTUAL info about any "New" Defender has emerged!
Cheers, Pickles.
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mikelike



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The reason I feel they only sell 16000 units a year is because the average man cant fit in a Defender, theres no room , they leak , they rattle , and they are expensive compared to modern jap utes that produce more power!! If Land Rover got serious and modernised the current Defender , addressed these issues they could sell 100000 units a year as you would see them once again in the work place every where !!
Post #267334 17th Sep 2013 6:58am
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22900013A



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Keep in mind that at it's peak, production for the "Defender" (actually the Series IIA at the time) was about 60,000 units per year and that was in about 1969-1970. They have *never* got close to 100,000 a year. In the early 1980s they were struggling to sell 10,000 units a year. At the moment we are still in the middle of a global economic depression and instability, it is not a time when new vehicle purchases are high on the agenda for companies. When it is necessary, they are generally going for the cheapest option available, hence why we see SSE running about in Hiluxes. The fact that they cannot do the same work as a Defender does not come into the equation for the bean-counters.

I do think that if improvements were made in build quality then sales would improve. That said, can anyone explain the pretty strict quota allocations for dealerships, my understanding is that once they have sold their annual quota they cannot sell anymore? 2011 110 USW
1973 Series III 1-Ton
1972 Series III 1-Ton Cherrypicker
1969 IIA 1-Ton
1966 IIA 88"
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farmer giles



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last week i saw a couple of cloaked up LR vehicles going in the opposite direction; hard to say if they were old rrs or unreleased freelander model.

customer assistance technician said he hadn't seen or heard anything regarding new defender.
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LandRoverAnorak



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22900013A wrote:
That said, can anyone explain the pretty strict quota allocations for dealerships, my understanding is that once they have sold their annual quota they cannot sell anymore?

It's probably to do with their production capacity. No point selling more than they can physically build and I doubt they've got much interest in expanding that capacity given all of the other pressures on the Solihull site. Darren

110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak

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