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| AlexPuma42 Member Since: 13 Jun 2013 Location: Manchester Posts: 43  
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Hi Guys
Since the day i bought my Defender the bumpers have been all twisted and bent - Its not an eye sore just starting to annoy me now I do a bit of moving non running cars around etc (on a secure yard) with the landy and have to forwever turn around or get stuck in awkward situations towing from the rear This bumper looks perfect for what i want - does anyone have any experience with this company or this style of bumper shown on the link before i invest? Cheers Alex http://www.johnrichardssurplus.co.uk/produ...-dpb000270 |
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9th Sep 2013 1:21pm |
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| SGH Member Since: 27 Sep 2010 Location: Hellingly-Sussex Posts: 1527 
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9th Sep 2013 1:25pm |
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| K9F Member Since: 12 Nov 2009 Location: Bournemouth Posts: 9610 
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It does seem an exceedingly good price for the product and described as military 'style' (it does not imply it's a surplus one) and a little scant on detail. I'd give them a ring or if heading down the Telford area any time soon (from you about an hour and a half) ask to swing by and have a look at it perhaps? If you go through life with your head in the sand....all people will see is an ar5e!!
Treat every day as if it is your last....one day you will be right!! |
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9th Sep 2013 1:33pm |
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| dondiddy Member Since: 13 Nov 2012 Location: Hamilton Posts: 224  
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Most of the usual Land Rover parts supplier are selling this bumper with this part number. An online search will also find it for sale cheaper!I suspect that it is a Britpart item so it might be better if you saw it in person to check if it was as heavy duty as an original one. As for the company I have bought loads of surplus items from them over the years on Ebay and have always had very good service from them with prompt delivery each time.
Their place is a bit like an Alladins cave for any military buffs as they had loads and loads of hard to find stuff. I was rebuilding a Lightweight a few years ago and called in to collect a front axle that I had bought. Brand new in a packing case complete with brakes ,steering etc for £250. Not sure whether they still have as much stuff as they used to as that was about 5 years ago. |
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9th Sep 2013 2:59pm |
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| Timo K Member Since: 23 Aug 2012 Location: Helsinki Posts: 169 
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Just to let you know, most bumpers that look like that are indeed "HD" and alot stronger than the stock one... Apart from the ends, which are the parts you bend usually... They're exactly the same as on the original bumper since the box reinforcement stops about 15cm from the end. It's only stronger in the middle and gives you the benefit of a good solid tow point, but the ends are still butter.
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9th Sep 2013 3:51pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471 
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If you have an aircon grille you might find removing the pin a bit troublesome. Personally I'd go for a genuine military bumper or one from Black Sheep Offroad or similar. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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9th Sep 2013 6:07pm |
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| diesel_jim Member Since: 13 Oct 2008 Location: hiding Posts: 6037 
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The mil bumpers are not really much stronger than a civvy one. The centre piece where the pin goes, is usually braced at the back, but that's about it.
As Timo said, the ends are the same (and being "military" spec, they have numerous holes in them for flag poles etc, so are in fact slighly weaker!) I've got one in the garage, a genuine military jobbie, and the metal is no thicker than a normal civ one. Far better to get one of the 5mm thick ones from D44 or Killer90 on here... you can have lights in those as well! |
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9th Sep 2013 6:20pm |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015  
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As Jim says: They are as strong as the standard bumper (they are not reinforced.
The pin in the middle isn't even designed for off-road recovery (I have seen quite a few destroyed in this way)- millitary Land Rovers have Jate rings for recovery. It is used for road recovery through draw bar or light recovery vehicle. As mentioned above you want a proper HD bumper- loads out there at cheap prices if that is what you want. Or if you want to keep the bumper looking nice the best option would be to make a bracket up that you can hook/ strap to your next 'nice' bumper- a 2m length of 2x4 as it will add strength and buffering. Glyn   |
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10th Sep 2013 10:13am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16880 
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Remember however that if the ends of the bumper are unnecessarily strong, and impact which will bend a standard bumper and no other parts will end up bending the front outriggers of the chassis.
There's a lot to be said for a fair bit of strength in the centre of the bumber but less in the ends. |
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10th Sep 2013 11:00am |
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| Glynparry25 Member Since: 16 Feb 2009 Location: Miserable Midlands Posts: 3015
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In relation to the OP I believe that there is no risk of high speed impact.
WIth reference to it damaging chassis- If the bumper folds it results in the front axle being forced back and more then likely the wheel will move through the bulkhead into the ca, the engine/ gearbox/ transfer box will also be affected in a similar way. I have a TJM bumper which is VERY rigid and saved me when traveling through Ukraine. I drove away with a few scratches on the bumper and a buckled wheel- the other vehicle was a complete write off. I then continued on my drive (another 3,000 miles) and have checked the chassis and it is as straight as an arrow.  Click image to enlarge Glyn |
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10th Sep 2013 11:27am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16880
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In an incident like that I agree that a strong bumper is a disctinct advantage! It isn't quite the type of incident I had in mind though.
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10th Sep 2013 12:52pm |
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| Happyoldgit Member Since: 14 Sep 2007 Location: Norfolk Posts: 3471
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Looks like the crumple zone of the car did what it was designed to do. Steve.
Owned numerous Land Rover vehicles of all shapes and sizes over the decades. Current Defender: A non tarts hand-bagged Puma 110 XS USW. [Insert something impressive here such as extensive list of previous Land Rovers or examples of your prestigeous and expensive items, trinkets, houses, bikes, vehicles etc] http://forums.lr4x4.com I used to be Miserable ...but now I'm ecstatic. |
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10th Sep 2013 1:04pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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I had a very similar bumper on an earlier Land Rover - I tee boned a car on a dual carriageway at some quite significant speed as it tried to nip across in front of me to do a right turn from the opposite direction . They were a complete write off and mine looked at first to only have a slight backwards bend in the bumper/bullbar and a few paint scratches.
On a more detailed examination it had actually crinkled the top of both chassis legs just in front of the front cross member. |
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10th Sep 2013 4:14pm |
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