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MD5



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2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Alpine White
Intercooler - Close or open fin design ?
I'm looking for advice about the right intercooler to install on my Puma.

I see that there are intercooler with close fin design, more effective but that can be clogged by mud and dirty and open fin design mainly suggested for offroad application.

I heard that in the Puma with A/C the close fin type are suggested because the A/C radiator work as filter due to it's thin fin design.

I use my Puma often onroad and sometime offroad. Some fairly long trip in the desert are planned for the next year. I usually prefer to stay away from heavy mud or deep to cross water.
I never seen an aftermarket intercooler so I'm unable to judge how much thin and close to each other are the fins Vs. the stock one, and which kind best suit my needs.

Any advice really appreciated, thanks!
Post #182695 6th Nov 2012 9:07pm
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Lorryman100



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I am going to go with the close fine type Serck Marston intercooler. Two reasons for this choice, first because as I have aircon its radiator more or less occupies the whole front area (bar a couple of inches) and is of the close fin type, almost entirely covering the intercooler which resides just behind it. The second reason is the make due to its racing heritage and flow port design. If I did not have aircon then I would probably opt for the open fin design. Just my tuppence worth. Thumbs Up


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ZeDefender



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Quick question, if I may...

I'm getting a better I/C pretty soon and I'm a bit nervous about fitting it. Not that I don't like a challenge but I do like to know what to expect. Is there a way to fit it without having to drain the A/C or rad? Are there any tight spots? Once the cowl's off it looks as though it might be a kind of slot in/out job... or am I being ridiculously optimistic? I will look in the manual eventually but I know from experience that those with experience often know "better" ways of doing these things Thumbs Up

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Post #183512 9th Nov 2012 7:11pm
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Regard



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Piece of cake!

Remove fan cowling and grill.
Loosen 2 bolts on bottom of AC radiator housing.
Remove only the right sided 2 "bolts"/pins for the bonnet catch plate on the radiator side of fender by using a vice grip. (they are just threaded pins with a welded nut inside the fender, you will destroy these 2 bolts/pins so make sure you have 2 spare bolts to replace these! I used normal bolts for future ease)
Loosen 2 I C pipes and bolts.
Pull old I C.
Trim 2 plastic edges on the lower edges of the radiator slightly.(I just used a hacksaw blade).
Pop new I C in and secure bolts and pipes
Enjoy the new car!

Took me all of 2 hours and 2 cold beers!

No need to drain anything!
It may sound confusing but once you get going you will understand my directions.

Last edited by Regard on 10th Nov 2012 9:08am. Edited 2 times in total
Post #183619 9th Nov 2012 10:46pm
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ZeDefender



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Brilliant. Thanks - just saved that for reference Smile

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But shout it at them in German because life is also terrifying and confusing...
Post #183624 9th Nov 2012 10:49pm
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MD5



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Thanks all for the information and fitting advice, really appreciated!
Post #183665 10th Nov 2012 7:48am
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BruceT



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Regard wrote:
Piece of cake!

Remove fan cowling and grill.
Loosen 2 bolts on bottom of AC radiator housing.
Remove only the right sided 2 "bolts"/pins for the bonnet catch plate on the radiator side of fender by using a vice grip. (they are just threaded pins with a welded nut inside the fender, you will destroy these 2 bolts/pins so make sure you have 2 spare bolts to replace these! I used normal bolts for future ease)
Loosen 2 I C pipes and bolts.
Pull old I C.
Trim 2 plastic edges on the lower edges of the radiator slightly.(I just used a hacksaw blade).
Pop new I C in and secure bolts and pipes
Enjoy the new car!

Took me all of 2 hours and 2 cold beers!

No need to drain anything!
It may sound confusing but once you get going you will understand my directions.


You drink slowly... Laughing
Post #184272 12th Nov 2012 11:26am
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Regard



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BruceT wrote:
Regard wrote:
Piece of cake!

Remove fan cowling and grill.
Loosen 2 bolts on bottom of AC radiator housing.
Remove only the right sided 2 "bolts"/pins for the bonnet catch plate on the radiator side of fender by using a vice grip. (they are just threaded pins with a welded nut inside the fender, you will destroy these 2 bolts/pins so make sure you have 2 spare bolts to replace these! I used normal bolts for future ease)
Loosen 2 I C pipes and bolts.
Pull old I C.
Trim 2 plastic edges on the lower edges of the radiator slightly.(I just used a hacksaw blade).
Pop new I C in and secure bolts and pipes
Enjoy the new car!

Took me all of 2 hours and 2 cold beers!

No need to drain anything!
It may sound confusing but once you get going you will understand my directions.


You drink slowly... Laughing


Laughing Was to bussy swearing at those two Censored pins.......... Whistle
Post #184273 12th Nov 2012 11:31am
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BruceT



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I found an easier way of removing them......too late for you Regard but may help others.....

Basically place two bolts onto them, tighten the bolts so that they are compressed against each other, then use a rachet to remove........ takes a 10th of the time and far less swearing.... (hope it makes sense)
Post #184274 12th Nov 2012 11:35am
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Regard



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South Africa 2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 X-Tech LE Orkney Grey
BruceT wrote:
I found an easier way of removing them......too late for you Regard but may help others.....

Basically place two bolts onto them, tighten the bolts so that they are compressed against each other, then use a rachet to remove........ takes a 10th of the time and far less swearing.... (hope it makes sense)



Aaaarrgh........

That makes perfect sence!
Post #184275 12th Nov 2012 11:38am
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I know how daft were we... Laughing
Post #184277 12th Nov 2012 11:39am
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Just for comparison, Allisport vs Stock, (sorry for the poor image quality):


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Cheers,

Tim

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Post #184289 12th Nov 2012 12:35pm
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MD5



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The Allisport is really massive! Shocked
Post #184293 12th Nov 2012 12:54pm
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mog



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This sounds like a perfect subject for a DIY instruction with pictures. If someone doing this operation could
document it, I am sure it would be appriciated.
Post #184304 12th Nov 2012 1:30pm
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mog wrote:
This sounds like a perfect subject for a DIY instruction with pictures. If someone doing this operation could document it, I am sure it would be appriciated.



Even better, film it and post to YouTube Thumbs Up --
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