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Cheshire110



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EV mode not available
Anyone else found the car is over reliant on the engine since the latest update (3.3.0)?

Sometimes it says “EV mode not available” and even when in EV mode it will jump back to hybrid mode after a mile at most.

It has done this sometimes after updates for one journey but this is 5-10 journeys and 200+ miles later Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #963825 2nd Sep 2022 8:49pm
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Ritson



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I haven't found that the 3.3.0 update has been any worse for this than previous updates. For the first 2 days it would refuse to revert to electric if the petrol engine had been engaged for any reason, but no occurrences since.

I still don't understand why we have to go through this every time we have an update. Current: MY22 P400e SE
Prior: Discovery Sport HSE, Jaguar F-Type S, Discovery 3, RR Vogue
Post #963842 3rd Sep 2022 6:17am
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Harty



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Since a couple of weeks before the latest update, and post the update last week, my car won't start in EV mode anymore.

Always starts in hybrid with really high revs.

Is very weird.

I can flick it into EV mode after a minute of driving.

Is all a bit odd, and disappointing tbh, as used to start in EV if I finished the previous drive in EV.
Post #963887 3rd Sep 2022 2:05pm
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Cheshire110



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Still not having much luck this end.

Anyone else having the same? Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #964594 10th Sep 2022 8:45pm
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Harty



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in slightly different ways, no, things are still not right :

- The car will never start in EV mode now.
- When it starts in hybrid, it's with massively high revs.
- That said, I only need to drive it for a short distance before it will go into EV mode.
- It has happened once, as you've described, that I was in EV mode and then it flicked out, but hasn't happened again.

If honest, I'm hugely frustrated. I used to do the school run (c. 5 miles each way) solely in EV mode, whereas now I wake up the neighbours with high revs 07:30 in the morning, and if I have the windows down when hot, get a load of fumes.

It isn't the latest software update, as started to occur a few weeks before the update occurred for me.

Shame really, as love everything else about the car.
Post #964600 10th Sep 2022 9:25pm
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familymad



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That’s a shame for such an expensive purchase. Sadly all to often we hear the same issues on LR forums for the new complicated gear they are selling.

I recall the Disco Sport’s having similar issues early on. 1951 80" S1 2.0
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Post #964615 11th Sep 2022 8:21am
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Ritson



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Harty wrote:
in slightly different ways, no, things are still not right :

- The car will never start in EV mode now.
- When it starts in hybrid, it's with massively high revs.
- That said, I only need to drive it for a short distance before it will go into EV mode.
- It has happened once, as you've described, that I was in EV mode and then it flicked out, but hasn't happened again.

If honest, I'm hugely frustrated. I used to do the school run (c. 5 miles each way) solely in EV mode, whereas now I wake up the neighbours with high revs 07:30 in the morning, and if I have the windows down when hot, get a load of fumes.

It isn't the latest software update, as started to occur a few weeks before the update occurred for me.

Shame really, as love everything else about the car.


Just a thought; have you tried running pre-conditioning on the car for 5mins before you actually try and start your journey in EV mode? Current: MY22 P400e SE
Prior: Discovery Sport HSE, Jaguar F-Type S, Discovery 3, RR Vogue
Post #964621 11th Sep 2022 8:55am
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Cheshire110



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Update: Think I might have fixed it.

I put my fault code reader on it (don’t know why I hadn’t done so far!) and it had thrown a fault code ‘P0D3D’ which seems to be a generic ‘high voltage charger input voltage out of range’ error. I cleared the code and just completed a 5+ mile test drive fully in EV mode, which was previously completely impossible.

Hopefully that’s that but I’ll report back with any further progress. Haven’t tried a ‘cold start’ yet but will see the next time I come to it cold. Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #964819 12th Sep 2022 10:20pm
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Stacey007



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^ That's great if this has sorted it, lucky you have the code reader also.


For most 'normal' owners I guess its a trip to the garage and that's a phaff....


I bought a code reader for the old one and its a very handy bit of kit, these news ones though are so clever (or are they?) doing updates while it sits on your drive Smile
Post #964828 13th Sep 2022 7:51am
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Cheshire110



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Yep fingers crossed - I’m assuming (hoping) the fault code was triggered by me unplugging or plugging in incorrectly to a charger at some point rather than anything ‘real’.

Definitely worth having a code reader with the new defender - only £50 or less from Amazon etc and very easy to use Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #964856 13th Sep 2022 11:53am
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D50



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Hi all, Im not having the issues noted above since installing 3.3.0 but has anyone noticed their car charging to a lower range? Pre update it would charge with a 42-43km range, now im only getting 36-37km?
Post #965136 15th Sep 2022 2:56pm
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Cheshire110



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Just updating for the future record really - it did turn out to be a slightly more complicated issue than I'd thought...

Long story short, LR Assist came out for a quick diagnostic (worth knowing - much quicker than going to the dealer!) and quickly identified that it was the electric heater that had an issue. So any time the car demanded cabin heating it was firing up the engine to use the conventional heating system, hence the intermittent issues...

Hopefully a new heater should fix it. Am booked in the dealer in a couple of weeks.

(NB. out of interest, the electric heater looks like a big computer hard drive on the right hand side of the engine bay [left if looking from the front of the car], with a bright orange high voltage cable going into it. Presumably pretty easy to replace but don't know if there are complexities with attempting any 'DIY' working on the high voltage system!) Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #968489 20th Oct 2022 9:29pm
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Ritson



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Cheshire110 wrote:
Yep fingers crossed - I’m assuming (hoping) the fault code was triggered by me unplugging or plugging in incorrectly to a charger at some point rather than anything ‘real’.

Definitely worth having a code reader with the new defender - only £50 or less from Amazon etc and very easy to use


Glad you go managed to sort the issue. Could you let me know the model of code reader you have please? Is there somewhere that lists the Land Rover codes and explains what each relates to?

Cheers Current: MY22 P400e SE
Prior: Discovery Sport HSE, Jaguar F-Type S, Discovery 3, RR Vogue
Post #968497 21st Oct 2022 5:50am
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Cheshire110



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Mine’s just a really generic fault code reader from Amazon, nothing special at all, you need to google the fault code really.

You’d need something more specialised to interpret the codes for you Cheers, David
Land Rovers of all shapes S3 onwards… Daily is a 110 V8.
Post #968518 21st Oct 2022 9:37am
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Ritson



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ok, ta Thumbs Up Current: MY22 P400e SE
Prior: Discovery Sport HSE, Jaguar F-Type S, Discovery 3, RR Vogue
Post #968535 21st Oct 2022 11:14am
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