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Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6265

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey

is that a little like building a crane using hessian rope rather than steel but supplying it with a trampoline just in case the hessian gives way?

5th Jan 2022 6:55pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 16892

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 DCPU Stornoway Grey

You have finally lost me or the plot, or both!

5th Jan 2022 8:56pm

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3615

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

think we forgot the crappy front diff fitted to some models

the Seat Belt bracket bolts on some 2010/11 models

oil pump issues on 2.2s

but we all still love them and they are currently still strangely going up in value DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

5th Jan 2022 10:04pm

Jonothethird

Member Since: 17 Jan 2021
Location: North Uorkshire
Posts: 27

2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Tonga Green

Thanks for all the helpful replies. I am now not only concerned about grinding to a halt with output shaft failure, but also about terminal engine failure, clutch failure and my axle ends falling off

How is it actually possible to engineer a car with all these problems!!

I haven’t had my Defender for long so hopefully it was either a ‘goodun’ or someone else sorted these things out before me - it’s got a good (mainly LR) service history… The clutch seems strong (bit of a rattle when cold sometimes when the pedal is released but I’m told that’s ‘normal’

) so I guess someone has probably replaced it previously from what you say. I didn’t realise Puma clutches were so bad. What are the signs that the clutch is going?

I’ll have to check the sump issue as I do go off-road - hopefully it has also been sorted! Is it easy to tell by looking at it?

I think I’ll just have to hope for the best with the output shaft as it seems a big expense to change something that might be absolutely fine and I’m not planning any long distance expeditions (sadly!). I might just upgrade the breakdown cover though

5th Jan 2022 11:03pm

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 16892

Don't be put off, they're great vehicles and we love them (it's just a pity there were so many unnecessary mistakes). Every journey is an adventure in a Defender.

Breakdown and recovery insurance is great for peace of mind, it must be said.

There is also a lot of great people on this forum who are happy to help (and to scare the bejasus out of you, of course)!

5th Jan 2022 11:53pm

Jonothethird

Member Since: 17 Jan 2021
Location: North Uorkshire
Posts: 27

Thanks Blackwolf. I have always wanted one and definitely plan to keep it forever…just wasn’t aware there were so many issues!! So far so good - had it nearly a year and nothing has broken yet! Drives pretty well actually. I’ll post some pics in due course.

6th Jan 2022 12:54am

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6265

blackwolf wrote:
You have finally lost me or the plot, or both!

probably/hopefully both

brackets to catch wheels as they fall off. trampolene for catching the crane's load as the rope breaks

did I mention I bought a transit van?

while cleaning it the other day it occurred to me how practical it is in almost every way and it got me thinking about the defender. yes the defender is far more capable in the snow / mud BUT I had to ask myself - what would I prefer - to get stuck or to breakdown?

I'm luck to have the choice I guess - although things as they are I don't believe I've gotten close to 500 miles in the defender over the last 12 months

6th Jan 2022 9:25am

blackwolf

Member Since: 03 Nov 2009
Location: South West England
Posts: 16892

500 miles .... so you've only used about four gallons of fuel in your Defender then!

6th Jan 2022 11:25am

boxoftricks

Member Since: 06 Feb 2019
Location: Home Counties
Posts: 745

2011 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 USW Zermatt Silver

What a positive thread

There are two factors that the survey does not take into account. Driving conditions and style.

Off-road vs on-road will have a massive impact. The additional torque off-road driving places on the shaft. One mile off-road equals many many more in the smooth black stuff.

Also driving styles. Not just when changing gears but are individuals pre-torquing the drivetrain when off-roading for example?

I believe these two factors are more of a contributor than alignment issues.

6th Jan 2022 2:15pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6265

blackwolf wrote:
500 miles .... so you've only used about four gallons of fuel in your Defender then!

come to think of it I might not have put any fuel in during the year on the basis that I typically get 500 miles from a tank

6th Jan 2022 7:45pm

Caterham

Member Since: 06 Nov 2008
Location: Birmingham
Posts: 6265

boxoftricks wrote:
What a positive thread

There are two factors that the survey does not take into account. Driving conditions and style.

Off-road vs on-road will have a massive impact. The additional torque off-road driving places on the shaft. One mile off-road equals many many more in the smooth black stuff.

Also driving styles. Not just when changing gears but are individuals pre-torquing the drivetrain when off-roading for example?

I believe these two factors are more of a contributor than alignment issues.

I'd love to agree with you. While you're not wrong I've had two failures plus if my memory serves me right a 3rd replaced at the time of a clutch replacement (or gearbox or transferbox - can't quite remember) - but anyway although I've now done in excess of 100k miles I'd suggest there's unlikely to be another defender out there thats been treated more gently ie very little towing and largely slow motorway cruising (hence managing 40mpg average on a tank). So while your theory is correct I'm inclined to suggest there is a fundamental issue other than driving style.

6th Jan 2022 7:50pm

LR90XS2011

Member Since: 05 Apr 2011
Location: bickenhill
Posts: 3615

What Caterham said

mine had a very easy first 20k miles and 2 shafts, neither failed but both on the way, now on my 3rd this one is Ashcroft so time will tell.

Coincidently both Caterham and mine are 2011 DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

6th Jan 2022 8:06pm

doublea

Member Since: 12 Jul 2011
Location: Aberdeenshire
Posts: 494

2016 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 Adventure Phoenix Orange

doublea wrote:
My sister's 90sw

1, vehicle year of manufacture :2013
2, engine type 2.4 or 2.2 :2.2
3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? (Y/N) :N
4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure, or current milage on the original shaft if still running. :22,000

If the shaft has previously failed, please answer 5 & 6.

5, Has an Ashcroft modified part has been fitted? (Y/N) N - standard parts fitted under warranty
6, vehicle milage at the second failure, or milage if still running. No second failure yet, 48,000.

No off roading, not much mechanical sympathy either!

Updated...

5, Has an Ashcroft modified part has been fitted? (Y/N) N
6, vehicle mileage at the second failure, or mileage if still running. Second failure (standard JLR parts) 71,000 Current Steeds:
2015 110 UW in Grasmere Green
2003 BMW F650 the Hack
2000 Elise
1992 Ducati 888 (no longer in bits, yahoo)
1990 TDR 250 (in bits again)
1988 TDR 250 (no longer in bits) and for sale

11th Jan 2022 11:01pm

MK

Member Since: 28 Aug 2008
Location: Santiago
Posts: 2265

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SW Chawton White

I am wondering what happened with Keith´s case Puma 110" SW

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Earth first. Other planets later

11th Jan 2022 11:14pm

SJM2018

Member Since: 06 Jul 2018
Location: Bristol
Posts: 296

2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Aintree Green

1, vehicle year - 2011
2, engine type 2.4
3, is the Defender still running with the original output shaft? No
4, vehicle milage at first shaft failure, or current milage on the original shaft if still running - 52,000

Was having a LOF clutch kit fitted, so opted to get the Ashcroft Output shaft at the same time.

Here are some pics (note I’ve done 34k of the 52k miles and while it’s extremely well looked after, it has a BAS tune and is driven hard).

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Click image to enlarge 2011 CSW XS 90

12th Jan 2022 7:58pm

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