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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018   
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7th Sep 2020 12:39pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Did Ineos steal it from under JLR?
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7th Sep 2020 4:30pm |
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| defender9 Member Since: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Fylde Coast Posts: 1629 
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Yes I believe they or rather Jim Ratcliffe did. Mind you my understanding is that he paid a huge amount for it and outbid JLR who were non too pleased.
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7th Sep 2020 4:57pm |
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| Slideywindows Member Since: 09 Sep 2016 Location: North Essex Posts: 1283 
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There wasn't much left of it as I recall, when I saw its remains on a trailer at the Shugborough LRSOC Rally in 1998.
Defender9, did you see it there, and can you remember how much was left of it? When you are "restoring" for a billionaire, I guess cost is no object and you can do what it takes to make a few remains look like a complete "old and original" vehicle. |
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8th Sep 2020 8:21pm |
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| gcc130 Member Since: 05 Jun 2015 Location: Wiltshire Posts: 733 |
I saw it at Shugborough in ‘98 and there wasn’t a lot left, and from what I remember there were lots of discussions about whether it was what it claimed to be.
I’ve just received my copy of the book and only skimmed it so far. There are several pictures of the twisted remains On the trailer at Shugborough. It continues to create heated debate on the Series 1 club forum............ |
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8th Sep 2020 10:00pm |
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| defender9 Member Since: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Fylde Coast Posts: 1629
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Yes I saw it at Shugborough Slidey and have some photographs somewhere which I will have to have a look for. True there didn’t seem to be a lot left and subsequently there was much debate about what should be done with it. I’m pretty ambivalent about whether it should have been left as it is or what has been done to it now, however what will interest me is what techniques were used to restore the various parts to try to preserve any patina which was extant. The book has arrived as I type this so I’m hoping it will be an interesting read. |
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9th Sep 2020 8:53am |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17305 
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Interesting. The concept of perdurantism and the Ship of Theseus.
Whilst there is no doubt that once upon a time it was the first production Land-Rover, is it still the first production Land-Rover? Hopefully the book, when it arrives, will answer these and other deep metaphysical questions. Alternatively I suppose we can just enjoy another very early and patinated piece of Land-Rover history. |
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9th Sep 2020 10:17am |
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| LandRoverAnorak Member Since: 17 Jul 2011 Location: Surrey Posts: 11324
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I had to look up perdurantism as I'd not come across that before. It seems to be a more formal expression of Triggers Broom
 Darren
110 USW BUILD THREAD - EXPEDITION TRAILER - 200tdi 90 BUILD THREAD - SANKEY TRAILER - IG@landroveranorak "You came in that thing? You're braver than I thought!" - Princess Leia |
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9th Sep 2020 11:13am |
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| defender9 Member Since: 12 Mar 2016 Location: Fylde Coast Posts: 1629
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There are a lot of Triggers Broom Series Ones, some of the straightest, shiniest and blemish free restored ones with new chassis and bulkhead, all new bodywork are no more than that. It matters not a jot to me what people do with their own vehicles and while I can admire something which looks factory fresh and has no doubt had a lot of money thrown at it, however I admire more one that the owner has painstakingly restored as much of the vehicle which is left rather than just scrapping useable parts in favour of new.
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9th Sep 2020 1:09pm |
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| Avelingporter Member Since: 25 Jan 2016 Location: Southampton Posts: 405 
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I have got my copy of the book and its actually a good read. Well researched and interesting. They have obviously spent a great deal of time preserving what they had and integrating anything new to be in keeping. The guys who did it are normally much higher end classic car restorers so used to dealing with larger budgets that it took. Well done to them, a very sympathetic restoration.
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10th Sep 2020 4:20pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 17305
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Indeed, I'll second that, and very sympathetic and genuine restoration, and the result is authentic. In many ways it is a much more interesting vehicle than the showroom finish restorations. I bet the result would have been very different if JLR had acquired it.
I can only imagine what it cost to do that one, and I wonder what its value is now. |
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10th Sep 2020 4:31pm |
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