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spudfan



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Ireland 
How it should have ended.

The Defender seems to have gone out with a wimp rather than a bang. What Solihull should have done was to use the last year of production to give us a genuinely "special edition" rather than the one we got. Different seats, wheels and paint job are something we can all do. What was needed was a truly momentous Defender to make everyone stand up and take note, Anyone who bought one should be the envy of us all.
Solihull should have given us a model with a galvanised chassis and bulkhead as standard. They should have gone the distance and put the effort in at production level to give us a Defender that did not leak into the footwells. If they can issue bulletins to dealers as to how to fix leaks this should have been done at factory level.
Throw in a fix by putting some care into assembling and fitting the maingearbox/transfer box shaft and we'd have something worth shouting about. Would not have cost the earth and they'd have charged a premium for it. It should have been how the Defender was as standard but accountants rule the show now and have done for many years. My rearstep recently pulled through the bottom of the rear crossmember on the Puma, never happened with the tdi. That's proof if it were ever needed that the quality of components has been dictated by cost rather than engineering integrity. 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

Post #587503 24th Dec 2016 10:43pm
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ericvv



Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

But it didn't... Think assembly quality back in 2008 when mine was made was better than in more recent years.
I think that is a general Land Rover problem, very few people here keep their FFRR, Disco's, and other models after the 6 years max extended warranty period expires.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507

Post #587524 25th Dec 2016 6:38am
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LR90XS2011



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United Kingdom 2011 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Galway Green

probably good news for most of us that they didn't, I wouldn't swap mine for any of the final additions especially not the Autobiography. DEFENDER 90 TDCI XS,

I hope everyone is well and your land rovers make you happy

Post #587525 25th Dec 2016 6:45am
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ericvv



Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

There remain still at least 8 unsold brand new Autobiography's for sale here in Switzerland without takers. Bad speculation.
At the time, in the entire Geneva Canton, they only sold one Autobiography, to a Middle East person living here. And that while money in general is not a problem here.
Same time, my Geneva dealer alone sold here about 30 Heritages and 10 Adventure editions.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507

Post #587527 25th Dec 2016 6:51am
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Pickles



Member Since: 26 May 2013
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Australia 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Keswick Green

So, in English Pounds, how much are those unsold Autobiographies?
Pickles.

Post #587530 25th Dec 2016 7:17am
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ericvv



Member Since: 02 Jun 2011
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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

Pickles wrote:
So, in English Pounds, how much are those unsold Autobiographies?
Pickles.


Pickles, I happily will put you in direct contact with one of those distressed sellers, so that you can negotiate a nice discount yourself. Laughing
Merry Xmas to you all down under. Thumbs Up
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507

Post #587542 25th Dec 2016 10:13am
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spudfan



Member Since: 10 Sep 2007
Location: Co Donegal
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Ireland 

Some sitting here too.
http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/land-rover...ed-ad=true 1982 88" 2.25 diesel
1992 110 200tdi csw -Zikali
2008 110 2.4 tdci csw-Zulu
2011 110 2.4 tdci csw-Masai

Post #587548 25th Dec 2016 10:51am
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Jukathy



Member Since: 25 Jan 2015
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2012 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 SW Keswick Green

The Land Rover story ended just how JLR/Tata brought this to an end.

Now they wanna sell their new models. The new DC100 will be completely different.
That's why they give us some time increasing our demand significantly Wink

Best wishes - Juliet

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sharkey964



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France 2007 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

Another one here,just under 60000€
https://www.lignonautomobiles.com/nos-defenders/

Post #587564 25th Dec 2016 1:48pm
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gilarion



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Wales 2007 Defender 90 Other CSW Willow Green

You think build quality was bad in the 2000’s years. For those who can remember the build quality when ‘British Leyland’ ran the show it was absolute sh*t, that is course when they were assembling, most of the time they were on strike. Plus any part that would fit from another Leyland model, van car, etc was shoved onto the Defender. In fact Land Rovers under British Leyland were half Land Rover and half Sherpa van. Shocked For those who like Welsh Mountains and narrow boats have a look at my videos and photos at..

http://www.youtube.com/user/conwy1

Post #587569 25th Dec 2016 2:37pm
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Pickles



Member Since: 26 May 2013
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Australia 2013 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 CSW Keswick Green

ericvv wrote:
Pickles wrote:
So, in English Pounds, how much are those unsold Autobiographies?
Pickles.


Pickles, I happily will put you in direct contact with one of those distressed sellers, so that you can negotiate a nice discount yourself. Laughing
Merry Xmas to you all down under. Thumbs Up
Eric

All the best to you too Eric.
Pickles.

Post #587608 25th Dec 2016 11:01pm
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Procta



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United Kingdom 1997 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Baltic Blue
Re: How it should have ended.

spudfan wrote:
The Defender seems to have gone out with a wimp rather than a bang. What Solihull should have done was to use the last year of production to give us a genuinely "special edition" rather than the one we got. Different seats, wheels and paint job are something we can all do. What was needed was a truly momentous Defender to make everyone stand up and take note, Anyone who bought one should be the envy of us all.
Solihull should have given us a model with a galvanised chassis and bulkhead as standard. They should have gone the distance and put the effort in at production level to give us a Defender that did not leak into the footwells. If they can issue bulletins to dealers as to how to fix leaks this should have been done at factory level.
Throw in a fix by putting some care into assembling and fitting the maingearbox/transfer box shaft and we'd have something worth shouting about. Would not have cost the earth and they'd have charged a premium for it. It should have been how the Defender was as standard but accountants rule the show now and have done for many years. My rearstep recently pulled through the bottom of the rear crossmember on the Puma, never happened with the tdi. That's proof if it were ever needed that the quality of components has been dictated by cost rather than engineering integrity.


Its all about cost cutting and pushing as much out as possible now. You want to hear some of the stories about Nissan cars on how they are put together!
The company I work for make Nissan parts, and I tell you what they have had to change their ways on things, large scrap and quality has been a major issue in 2015/2016. Rather than just let things go threw and let run lines with Censored tools etc. They are now really jumping on stuff making sure things are right, The company lost 7 million last year due to it all. Defender 300 TDi 90 ---/--- Peugeot 306 HDI hatch back

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