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Caterham



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low range characteristics
Hi,

We all know the puma in low range has the increased idle revs under certain circumstances but what do you make of this.

I've only tried it in 1st a reverse but while manoeuvring on the drive when I disengage the clutch and coast it's like the wheels have suddenly turned oval....or like the brakes are catching on a pus bike with buckled wheels if that makes sense?
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Balvaig



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Just back from the half day Landrover Experience at Butterstone Loch. Off road in their 110. Reminds you what the Defender is best at. Anti stall and engine management in low range meant that the Defender sorted out most of the hills (up) with little need to change revs using the throttle. Down hills feet off everything and sometimes a little braking and all under control.
TC and diff lock sorted total loss of drive to offside wheels when traversing rollers up a steep incline.
If you get a chance get off road and try out the low range and diff lock. You will be amazed.
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Caterham



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/\ great. Glad you enjoyed. I did wonder half day too at eastnor. Very tame I thought and as such the 110 def took it all very much in its stride.

Any thoughts on why the low range gives the above characteristics?
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Balvaig



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Its all about getting the power to the wheels and keeping them moving, without the torque destroying the mechanicals. Slow and steady both up and down. The Butterstone off road course is not extreme, but the 110 was standard with normal road tyres. Still coped with inclines you would have to scramble up on foot, with potholes and rocks. Go too quickly or loose traction, then suddenly regain traction and you are likely to break something.
Low range and the anti stall /TC coupled with diff lock manages these conditions but you still have to understand what to do and drive the Defender. Much too easy with say the Disco which is now fully automated and not as much fun to drive offload.
On road the Defender feels really odd, as you describe, when in low range.
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Jukathy



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Jap. Increased idle revs. That's true... Sad

If I do not engage any gear while my car moves ... increased idle revs, too Confused

Well, that's bad. A greenhorn mistake. So unprofessional Neutral
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Caterham



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Hallelujah!


It's not just me. A neighbour of mine tried my def the other night. I asked him to move back n forth on my driv in low and see if he had any comment / or if he thought it was normal.

He said no something must be binding Smile ....but what?


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Balvaig



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Sorry, don't think I will be able to offer much help. Would seem unlikely to be the handbrake or main brakes sticking if it doesn't happen in high range. I will have to leave it to others to comment on possible mechanical defects associated with the low range gears.
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Perhaps you had it in low range with the centre diff locked?

Alternatively it's your imagination playing tricks again Wayne. I mean if you have to go looking for issues it can't be that bad can it?

...on second thoughts don't answer that Rolling with laughter Steve.
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jst



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car hot or cold? handbrake catching?

when you say disenage the clutch you mean clutch pedal up or down?

if clutch pedal is up idle jack doesnt do anything Cheers

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