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Likeomg



Member Since: 29 Jun 2012
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2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey
Lights flickering JW speaker
i've noticed a problem as the nights are getting darker its been getting worse and really bugging me now...

while driving the lights flicker for about 5 seconds at random times such as when i come off the gas or when I'm stationary, the headlights flicker, it can be quite embarrassing if your behind someone and it starts flickering looking like your flashing them or when you come to a junction and it starts doing it...


i wouldn't say I've got a massive strain on the electrical system, theres a 1000w amp / sub combo and thats it over a standard car... even with the radio turned off; it will still do this
edit: also have a drl bumper... LED so no great drain?

Battery is coming up to 5 now but isn't showing any signs of age, starts the car first time even this morning in the colder weather we are having.. (the battery has lead a really easy life, i only drive the car 6 months the year and the other 6 its on a ctek)
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Wild Card 90



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England 2012 Defender 90 Puma 2.2 SW Indus Silver
That sound annoying. I have just fitted a set of JW Speaker headlamps, so Iīm interested to know what the problem is.
If it is getting worse, then something is changing or deteriorating. What generation are the headlamps? Evo 2īs. Bad electrical connection somewhere in the wiring? The famous LR light switch about to let go? Maybe it is the battery?

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Likeomg



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2010 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 HT Stornoway Grey
had them years now; always did it on start up but never when normal driving..

original jw speaker 8700
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
If you do not have the upgraded loom, so running the full juice via the standard wiring and light switch, possibly your battery is not good enough anymore to supply the required minimum voltage to the lamps. Before I installed the "Landreiziger" loom, I had flickering EVOs sometimes when engine was not running, so juice from battery without alternator working.
The Speakers will flicker if they get less than 12V.
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Likeomg



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ill call mobile centre on monday and try the boomslang loom from alive..
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
Probably worth doing. Just want to mention that there have been several comments on here about issues with installing that boomslang loom, which never heard about the dutch landreiziger loom.
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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custom90



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There is a voltage drop on start up.
Defenders known to drop down to about 8v under intermittent cranking.

At the moment it's likely did to the battery as suggested, not because of age but temperature, more power taken from it on start up in cold weather.
Alternator produces more charging current for battery dud to voltage drop and probably causes a minor voltage drop across everything.

You could change battery or upgrade wiring for less voltage drop, the latter probably the better option.

It has been mentioned here before that the standard loom on a Puma headlight end the voltage can be down as low as 11.2v or similar.
Alternator running at battery posts is up to 14.2v IIRC!

It's mainly due to the long current path, both earthing and power, not a large dia. cable and switch.

If you have LED or standard lights as I have it should be an upgrade as the voltage is slightly up.

It's one of those jobs I've never got around to going myself.

I think that'd likely cure the problem.
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Likeomg



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Any links to the landreiziger Loom?
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
Here you go.

With plastic connectors (the original item)
https://shop.landreiziger.nl/lichtversterk...elais.html

With ceramic connectors (this alternative was launched a bit later)
https://shop.landreiziger.nl/modificatie/m...toren.html

with detachable H4 connectors or Duplo connectors (this is a new version which I did not see before)
https://shop.landreiziger.nl/modificatie/m...toren.html

And then this one, same as the original, but with an added Defender light switch for those who want to replace that too)
https://shop.landreiziger.nl/modificatie/m...elaar.html

I guess if you only need the loom and no switch, go for the ceramic connector version as it is same price as the original version.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
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K9F



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United Kingdom 2008 Defender 90 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Stornoway Grey
Likeomg wrote:
ill call mobile centre on monday and try the boomslang loom from alive..


Landreiziger loom is better. There have been numerous inherent issues with the Red Bison Boomslang ones. Thumbs Up

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ken



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Why not make the loom yourself that way its purpose built tidy wires I hate excess wires Mr. Green
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RoddyK05



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I'm sure there must be a few people who fancy a loom from Landreiziger, me included. Is there a way of getting some kind of group buy, it's mainly the idea of trying to work my way round a website that's not in English that's putting me off. Failing that, does anyone know if an email in English to them would get the desired reply?
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custom90



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You could try using google Chrome it has a translator built in for foreign languages.
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ericvv



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Switzerland 2009 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black
RoddyK05 wrote:
I'm sure there must be a few people who fancy a loom from Landreiziger, me included. Is there a way of getting some kind of group buy, it's mainly the idea of trying to work my way round a website that's not in English that's putting me off. Failing that, does anyone know if an email in English to them would get the desired reply?


They are a very kind and helpful bunch there. And,.... I don't think that I know one single Dutch person who does not speak very good to excellent English and/or German. Thumbs Up You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I
https://vimeo.com/201482507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw
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United Kingdom 2015 Defender 110 Puma 2.2 USW Corris Grey
RoddyK05 wrote:
I'm sure there must be a few people who fancy a loom from Landreiziger, me included. Is there a way of getting some kind of group buy, it's mainly the idea of trying to work my way round a website that's not in English that's putting me off. Failing that, does anyone know if an email in English to them would get the desired reply?


Yes just email them in English, they won't bite Thumbs Up Steve.
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