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| kbf1981 Member Since: 22 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 183  
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Is something basic like this, suitable for a rear recovery point? - http://www.extreme4x4.co.uk/acatalog/REAR_RECOVERY_EYE.html
I've no tow bar on my MY15 and no intention of towing. Thanks! |
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27th Jul 2015 7:58pm |
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| Dora Member Since: 12 May 2015 Location: South East Posts: 170 
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I think the description and pictures say it all!
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27th Jul 2015 9:47pm |
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| leeds Member Since: 28 Dec 2009 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 8578
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27th Jul 2015 11:32pm |
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| ericvv Member Since: 02 Jun 2011 Location: Near the Jet d'Eau Posts: 5816  
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I guess this would good enough?
Click image to enlarge You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation. http://youtu.be/yVRlSsJwD0o https://youtu.be/vmPr3oTHndg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GtzTT9Pdl0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABqKPz28e6A https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLZ49Jce_n0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvAsz_ilQYU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8tMHiX9lSw https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dxwjPuHIV7I https://vimeo.com/201482507 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSixqL0iyHw |
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28th Jul 2015 6:20am |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7704 
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Yes Cheers
James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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28th Jul 2015 6:43am |
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| bittersweet Member Since: 29 Apr 2010 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 20 
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OP stated
Other 2 suggestions are cheaper, does not effect departure, easier to fit and fit better with OP needs www.4x4overlander.com |
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28th Jul 2015 9:00am |
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| AndrewS Member Since: 10 Apr 2007 Location: Hereford Posts: 3707 
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All the recovery training courses I have been on you are told NOT to use the tow bar or a single point.
You are supposed to use two recovery points, ideally located at the end of the chassis rails then a bridle and then the recovery line. How many of you have seen a deformed rear cross-member as a result of 'enthusiastic recovery' ? The rear cross member aint that thick, do the math a stuck defender could require lets say 3T to recover it, so 1.5T on two locations are better than one at 3T. 130's have feeling's as well you know  |
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28th Jul 2015 10:56am |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018 
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My issue with that is it's a closed loop so you will need to add something like a shackle to attach a rope; also it does not appear to be sold with the option of a backing plate which should be used if it's being attached to the rear crossmember. Similar to what's been posted:
and note that it's been fitted with the reinforcement kit (that does not include a rear plate  ) - see here:
http://forum.lro.com/viewtopic.php?t=58180 Compare and contrast with the item in the OP's post and I think you can see which solution is fit for purpose when recovering heavily bogged vehicle - either yours or someone elses. Safety factor is the thing you want to have in mind. Admin note: this post has had its images recovered from a money grabbing photo hosting site and reinstated  |
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28th Jul 2015 12:38pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16902 
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The purpose of the backing plate is to protect the crossmember from vertical or lateral loading on the coupling which will bend the crossmember (especially with attachments such as a NATO pintle where the vertical component of the load is a long way behind the crossmember and which can therefore produce significant bending loads).
The backing plate will provide very little, if any, benefit for a direct tensile load, and unless the OP indends getting a fully-laden vehicle monumentally bogged, the recovery attachment he is asking about will be completely adequate with no additional reinforcement when secured to the standard threaded inserts in the crossmember. In my opinion if you load that device sufficient either to bend the crossmember, pull it clean out of the crossmember, or break the attachment point itself, then you are attempting a recovery which is well outside your abilities with no real understanding of what you are doing. For normal purposes that device will be wholly sufficient. |
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28th Jul 2015 2:23pm |
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| kbf1981 Member Since: 22 Feb 2015 Location: Manchester Posts: 183
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So would this be better than what I've posted? As above... I'm just after a simple solution for *if* I need mild recovery or to help someone else. E.g. a few weeks ago one of our small pallet trucks got stuck and all it would have required was a gentle tug (maybe 200kg force?) and that would have shifted it. Instead it took a lot more work! Ditto I intend at some point to go off road and I'd like something to recover the vehicle should I ever get stuck. No tow bar - no intention of towing. Presently looking at: - rear recovery points - rear tank guard - front steering guard - front recovery points and trying to find the best options in terms of 1) what I like the look of, and 2) what will last well, be strong and effective, and 3) not require loads of work to get on. How much is the black one above mate? Couldn't find a link on your site. |
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28th Jul 2015 3:47pm |
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| Supacat Member Since: 16 Oct 2012 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 11018
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Yes it does that but it also serves to take shear loads across the joint by friction between the plates rather than by shear across the bolt shank with the consequence of bolt failure; and when in shear loading the bolt interface with the hole is compressively loaded (crushing). I've yet to see a recovery where it resulted in a directly tensile loading. Not sure what the changes are to the current rear cross members over earlier versions but I did find reference to an earlier recall: "The continued development of the Defender model has included changes to the chassis rear cross member. A consequence of this development will require the fitting of additional load spreading plates for customers who have Defender 99 model Year vehicles with a tow hitch fitted directly to the rear cross member." http://www.landrover-center.com/rsm/Defender-L316/15321 OP seems to be moving away from a basic solution now towards more of a Camel trophy plus spec. Once the off-road bug bites... |
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28th Jul 2015 5:13pm |
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| jst Member Since: 14 Jan 2008 Location: Taunton Posts: 7704
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the one you posted is fine with fitting as below this one is prob ££££££ more but it will be well made. then again so will the other one. Cheers James 110 XS Utility 130 Puma Station wagon/camper (in the making) 90 Puma Hardtop |
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28th Jul 2015 7:43pm |
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| GypsySamuraiAnt Member Since: 31 Mar 2015 Location: Brisbane Posts: 131  
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How about one of these
http://www.expeditioncentre.com.au/online-...ender.html |
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28th Jul 2015 9:05pm |
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| blackwolf Member Since: 03 Nov 2009 Location: South West England Posts: 16902
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Neat, and very sturdy.
Based on what the OP has said, I'd be inclined to fit a 2'" receiver at the rear, a steering guard with a 2" receiver at the front, and carry a 2" shackle fitting that fits either. |
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28th Jul 2015 10:55pm |
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