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g-mack



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snuff video! WARNING!! GRAPHIC content!!!
some poor soul!!!

title says discovery but its a TD5 110!

Sad Sad
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Post #373901 24th Nov 2014 2:01pm
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blackwolf



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I see that the person who put that on YouTube has the name Gordon Burns !

What a sad end to someone's pride and joy, but it is interesting to see how quickly the aluminium alloy panels burn away.

I wonder what started the fire - it seemed to originate inside the passenger area.
Post #373903 24th Nov 2014 2:09pm
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g-mack



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yep very sad, im sure if we all carried a fire extinguisher a lot of these fires would be minor repairs!!
possibly an electric fault? who knows, be heart breaking watching your own go up in flames though! My 109 thread

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Post #373910 24th Nov 2014 2:35pm
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custom90



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Probably electrical, that's why it's so crucial the correct wire gauge and fusing is used.
Post #373912 24th Nov 2014 2:40pm
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newhue



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Re fire extinguishers, in my experience a 1kg is not big enough. Yes they can work on small fires but you need to get there fast enough. It is mind boggling how fast a fire grows with good air flow. I'm also doubtful if a 1kg has the compacity to snuff a engine bay or dash board internals.
Make sure you extinguisher is EASY to get to. It may look ugly being available but absolutely useless tucked away if its hard to access. I upgraded to a 2.7kg after finding how laking 1kg turned out to be, and also placed it at the back of the car where fire is least likely to start. My Defender and travels
Post #373977 24th Nov 2014 8:06pm
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Tiger



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Post #373982 24th Nov 2014 8:17pm
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ericvv



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^^ I am originally from a country where fire extinguishers are a legal requirement in all cars for decades already, and that is a good thing really. The requirement is for 1 kg capacity. It is common knowledge that a 1 kg extinguisher empties itself in a matter of 10 seconds or less, but the idea is that as all cars will have one like that, multiple other drivers would stop when seeing the beginning of a fire and come to help with their own extinguishers. 5, 6, 10 or more of those little things can make a difference to stop a starting fire.
Here in Switzerland, fire extinguishers are not required, and only few people will have one. I have in the back of the Defender a 2kg extinguisher, always easily accessible once the rear door is open. Now that I think of it, it is past its use by date, so I need to go buy a replacement. Thumbs Up
Eric You never actually own a Defender. You merely look after it for the next generation.
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Post #373983 24th Nov 2014 8:25pm
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Wangers



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can i have the headlight gueards - be good for spares in yard somewhere..... TY&GN
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Post #373987 24th Nov 2014 8:33pm
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Supacat



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ericvv wrote:
^^ I am originally from a country where fire extinguishers are a legal requirement in all cars for decades already, and that is a good thing really. The requirement is for 1 kg capacity. It is common knowledge that a 1 kg extinguisher empties itself in a matter of 10 seconds or less, but the idea is that as all cars will have one like that, multiple other drivers would stop when seeing the beginning of a fire and come to help with their own extinguishers. 5, 6, 10 or more of those little things can make a difference to stop a starting fire.
Here in Switzerland, fire extinguishers are not required, and only few people will have one. I have in the back of the Defender a 2kg extinguisher, always easily accessible once the rear door is open. Now that I think of it, it is past its use by date, so I need to go buy a replacement. Thumbs Up
Eric


I my working life I have seen a complete reversal in the philosophy to fighting fires. On a major gas processing plant all the active fire fighting equipment was removed and training stopped. Obviously, there were still passive systems and extinguisers, etc for admin buildings.

The theory was you only fought a fire if it was between you and the means of escape - otherwise you just let it burn until the professionals arrived. Plant & equipment can be replaced - individuals couldn't.

I would not want any number of individuals fighting a car fire with 1kg bottles. Notice those fighting the fire wore breathing apparatus. I remember a talk by a member of the fire services where they stated that a burnt out vehicle contained all sorts of highly carcinogenous contaminants and other nasties and should be kept well away from even days after the event.

I was surprised by how close that car drove past - what if there had been an explosion - 4x4 carrying a gas cylinder or air bottle?
Post #374091 25th Nov 2014 9:38am
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keith



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How come it takes a thief about 5 seconds to pinch the bonnet , yet these guys need £10 grand of specialist tools to get it open Rolling Eyes
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Supacat



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I'm guessing in a word - practice.

...and if you have the toys, why not play with them. Surprised that the bonnet didn't show any obvious sign of damage after the jaws were used.
Post #374250 26th Nov 2014 9:23am
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Rickydodah



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I carry a small 1kg extinguisher and as far as I'm concerned it's just there to buy enough time to get all the occupants clear before things get critical. I hope I never have to use it as losing the Defender would be heartbreaking., but not nearly as much as not getting everyone out in time. Sad
Post #374261 26th Nov 2014 11:06am
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tookaphotoof



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keith wrote:
How come it takes a thief about 5 seconds to pinch the bonnet , yet these guys need £10 grand of specialist tools to get it open Rolling Eyes


Will they also manage it with a burning hot car?
Post #374282 26th Nov 2014 1:24pm
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SailingTom



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Im a retained fire fighter as my second job. we have to wear BA for all car fires now here due to the gasses given off. Think its probably for the best you dont get members of the public having a go over just a piece of metal at the end of the day. If there was a person in it a different matter altogether though

As said the bonnet was probably a bit hot to open by hand Thumbs Up Defender puma dormobile camper
Post #374294 26th Nov 2014 2:25pm
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diesel_jim



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Sad to see it I know, but that's one helluva way to get the heater working properly!
Post #374297 26th Nov 2014 2:34pm
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