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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5084   
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There’s the rub! Private education and its ethos is great, though in my mind that ethos should be available to all, instead state education in this country is in a mess with disillusioned teachers in all levels of our education establishments, Disruptive children in primary and some older students in secondary schools that are under the impression that they have little to hope for their future, so why bother.
Pre comprehensive education was elitist where eleven year olds were tested for one day the eleven plus exam, and the results set out their future in education for the next six to seven years, Grammar school kids did well those who went to secondary modern, not so well. But back to private education, yes, the children who are schooled in those establishments go on to do well in adult life but that is often not down to learning but down to the ‘old school tie network’ which is symptomatic of the social class network that still exists in the UK and disproportionately gives rise to those who are educated privately being slotted into the best jobs. Do not get me wrong private education is good and I do not blame any parent wising to send their children to such. I just wish that the best practises in those schools would be adopted in our state education system, for doing so would lead to a better life for our young, it would give a more even playing field for those seeking jobs in certain fields and would stop the elitism that has held this country back for so long. |
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19th Aug 2014 6:58pm |
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| Jonno1968 Member Since: 24 Oct 2013 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 245  
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I agree but by my experience is there is no longer an old school tie network....actually quite the oposite since private education is so rare .....it actually gets frowned upon. And yes i agree that we can all balrt on about equal opportunities for all...but if the state education system is shxt and you can afford the other option then you go for it surely? Its like being minted and being able to afford a life saving heart bypass and you need it tomorrow....everyone, i say everyone would throw their morals about private healthcare out the window and pay for the op.
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19th Aug 2014 9:32pm |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2642 
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I have no real valuable opinion about public/private education. I know that a lot of officers in the Army that I came into contact with went to private school. Yes they were well educated and qualifications out of their ears. Common sense, not always.
An example was in GW1. We as RE's have a licence to dispose of munitions in war time as long as it's not HUGE amounts. There are safe limits. An example of 1 job we completed. After the war was over we spent about a month clearing the pylon line from the power station to Kuwait City. Hundreds of small bomblets were collected. Split into 3 piles and each disposed of seperately. Huge safety distances were involved. Several weeks later we came across an old Iraqi artillery position. The artillery shells were unpacked and stacked ready to fire. The pile was about 1m high and 30m long. So hundreds of shells. Troop Comd decided that we were going to make a name for ourselves and blow the lot in 1 go. Took the voice of experience of the Troop SSGT and Recce Sgt to reign him in and point out the error of his ways. He sulked for a bit but never really accepted that he was in the wrong. Common sense in this matter was all about making a big bang and being the talk of the mess when we returned to BAOR. Most blue bloods are the same. I've only met a few bluebloods who were sensible and had a brain in their head. Where as LE's are a completely different matter. 110 D250 SE HT 110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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19th Aug 2014 9:46pm |
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| Cupboard Member Since: 21 Mar 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 2971 
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I was originally turned down for the job I'm now in because of the name of the school on my CV. I wanted it enough that I went to some effort to explain that I wasn't completely stereotypical and useless. That got me the interview, which then got me a 2 month temporary position and I'm still here heading on for three years later (and on my lunch break). |
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20th Aug 2014 1:03pm |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5084
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Not to sure I agree with that as 7% of this country's children attend private schools statistically 28.5% of university students come from Private schools. Thirty percent of my intake is usually from Private schools. I was several years ago a keen a cricketer as is my Son now and I can assure you that the 'old school tie network' exists in cricket, perhaps not so much at local level, but most certainly in county and country. Research also shows Private schoolboys/girls are up to 10 per cent more likely to land top jobs than those who have the same grades from the same university but went to state school. However if proof was needed you only have to look at our present government, privately educated men dominate the Conservative party in fact our cabinet is filled un-representably with private school educated men. A statistic shows that while 7% of British children are privately educated, 34% of MPs went to fee-paying private schools, so there you have it. What may surprise many is that Private schools also enjoy a charitable status that state schools do not have, they get their charitable status because the government believes they are of benefit to the public. |
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20th Aug 2014 2:44pm |
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| uncas Member Since: 22 Nov 2012 Location: Wentworth near Rotherham Posts: 340
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I have two daughters Claire the oldest is what I call a swot she could read and write well before she went to school. Kerry the youngest could also read and write when she went to school but whereas Claire got stuck in and did her work at school Kerry went to school to socialise. Her teachers used to tell us that Kerry was not as smart as her older sister and would never make anything. Both have been to university Claire went twice she now works at the Hong Kong university lecturing on business studies and law she has written law books in conjunction with two professors she has written her own book on mediation and is in the process of writing another book on Hong Kong business law all this whilst doing a PHD and editing a law journal. Kerry now works with problem homeless young people some with horrific backgrounds she works alongside the Police and is studying for a further qualification to enhance her career. To say that I am proud of both my girls is an understatement! . Me I'm just a rough rsd Plant fitter who couldn't leave school fast enough. I worked with people who did have the funds to send their kids to a private school that even now 30 years on turns out some well educated young people.
Some kids want to learn from the start some take a while to realise that they want to learn and a few don't care about anything. And there are lots out there who are capable of doing extremely well but their parents couldn't give a s@!t what their kids do. Uncas |
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21st Aug 2014 9:20am |
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| Muddybigdog Member Since: 11 Apr 2014 Location: Suffolk Posts: 992 
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I would question that having a private school education and a Oxbridge degree is an indicator of intelligence, just have to look at all the ruling government parties and see what S**t they have gotten this country in???? Does not matter what party you may be aligned, politicians decision making is nothing short incredulous.
Having spent the last 26 years in recruitment, working for some of the largest companies on the planet, rest assured 99.9% of recruiters don't give a "monkies chuff" about schools, its about Universities, but recently its the extra curriculum activities graduates participate, especially in the tech world. I have interviewed thousands of folk, many times I have hired people from comprehensive schools and former polytechnic universities that have wiped the floor with top tier Eton style schools and Oxbridge university types. Jumped ship to reliability - Mitsubishi L200 Puma 90 XS - Sold D3 - 2.7 S x2 (both Sold) Freelander 2 HSE - Sold Freelander 1 - Sold Disco 2 - Sold |
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22nd Aug 2014 11:36am |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2642
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Extra curricular activities play a big part in miitary annual reports. Depending on the unit depends on the weight given to it. But in my last few units it was a big part of your report.
So in effect you had to be realy good at your job and participate in other activities outside of work. Strange that they expected you to be active outside of work and it formed part of your annual report. Don't see how it can be in reality? How does it affect my job as a soldier if I am part of the ramblers association and organise walks through the woods. Or if I volunteer for a charity. Doing all this doesn't make me a better soldier. 110 D250 SE HT 110 USW SOLD RRE HSE Dynamic Gone, wife killed it VOLVO XC60 R Dynamic with some toys Polaris RZR 900XP SOLD |
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22nd Aug 2014 11:49am |
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| gilarion Member Since: 05 Dec 2013 Location: Wales Posts: 5084
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Having been in education all my working life and schooled, taught and lectured many students from all walks of life and backgrounds, I have to say with some degree of confidence that those who attended the more elite schools I have taught had an air of stupidity about them. When you discover that generations of the same family have attend the same elite school you come to realise that crass stupidity is inherited from father to son/daughter in certain upper-class circles. Unfortunately for us those inherited ‘stupid’ genes are now running the country. |
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22nd Aug 2014 11:50am |
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| walfy Member Since: 29 Aug 2007 Location: Frome Posts: 2642
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22nd Aug 2014 11:52am |
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