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x-isle

Member Since: 26 May 2011
Location: Midlands
Posts: 1327

2007 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 XS CSW Santorini Black

I think most remote starts keep the doors locked and not driveable.

If you press the throttle it cuts out.

It's quite common in certain US states either to cool the car down (a mates Dodge in Houston was fitted with one as standard and apparently he could start it from a few miles away) or to warm the car up.

In fact, I've just come back from Florida and there was an advert (Ford I think) for new cars with remote start to clear the snow and warm the car up. Why this was being advertised in Florida I have no idea!

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2007 Puma 110 XS
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22nd Nov 2013 5:02pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

defninety wrote:
x-isle wrote:

However, when you start a 4x4, particularly one with all the gubbings a Defender has, you really should be depressing the clutch pedal to take the load out of the drive train on start up. It also means there's less to turn by the starter motor.

The other way of looking at this is if you start the engine with the clutch depressed you are exerting an amount of axial loading on the crankshaft before building up oil pressure to take up the thrust force. In other words you 'could' be wearing your thrust bearing sooner causing more crankshaft end float and additional wear on your engine.

agree 100%
thrust bearing are only have very small surface area compared to ends or mains they must have lots of oil over them and there not pressure fed only lubed by what comes out of side of main bearing
when turning over with foot off clutch your only turning 2 shafts that have no load on them anyway
turning over with foot on clutch to help starter comes from to days when you had 90 grade oil in gearbox the real thick stuff and cold was very very thick
BUT as a safety thing then yes foot on clutch OR just check its not in gear

22nd Nov 2013 5:22pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

x-isle wrote:
I think most remote starts keep the doors locked and not driveable.

If you press the throttle it cuts out.

It's quite common in certain US states either to cool the car down (a mates Dodge in Houston was fitted with one as standard and apparently he could start it from a few miles away) or to warm the car up.

In fact, I've just come back from Florida and there was an advert (Ford I think) for new cars with remote start to clear the snow and warm the car up. Why this was being advertised in Florida I have no idea!

a lot tend to have handbrake switch if brake taken off engine outs out ..much like run lock that lorrys police cars and ambulances have

22nd Nov 2013 5:26pm

GUM97

Member Since: 05 Feb 2012
Location: Cheshire
Posts: 3555

1997 Defender 90 300 Tdi HT Stornoway Grey

A remote start system is very similar to the run lock system operated in police cars etc (and some trucks). If any pedal is pressed the engine cuts out, so can't be driven until the key is in the ignition. An engine to TDi for!
"Land Rover- Proudly turning drivers into mechanics since 1948"

22nd Nov 2013 5:53pm

defninety

Member Since: 13 May 2010
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 37

1985 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Bonatti Grey

x-isle wrote:
I think most remote starts keep the doors locked and not driveable.

If you press the throttle it cuts out.

It's quite common in certain US states either to cool the car down (a mates Dodge in Houston was fitted with one as standard and apparently he could start it from a few miles away) or to warm the car up.

In fact, I've just come back from Florida and there was an advert (Ford I think) for new cars with remote start to clear the snow and warm the car up. Why this was being advertised in Florida I have no idea!

I think you will probably see over the next few years more and more manufacturers offering remote start purely for warm up, de-icing and passenger comfort reasons . FBH's etc tend to be unreliable at times and with the advent of stop/start technology on most new vehicles nowadays, all the required sensors etc for safely doing so are already in place.

22nd Nov 2013 6:02pm

defninety

Member Since: 13 May 2010
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 37

munch90 wrote:

turning over with foot on clutch to help starter comes from to days when you had 90 grade oil in gearbox the real thick stuff and cold was very very thick
BUT as a safety thing then yes foot on clutch OR just check its not in gear

Yes I agree with you there, it used to be a bit of an old school thing to help start up when you had oil like treacle and nowadays it is recommended by manufactures in the hand books purely as a safety feature. Hence on a lot of modern autos you need to press the brake pedal and modern manuals the clutch and/or brake before it will allow you to crank the engine.

22nd Nov 2013 6:08pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

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22nd Nov 2013 6:09pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

defninety wrote:
x-isle wrote:
I think most remote starts keep the doors locked and not driveable.

If you press the throttle it cuts out.

It's quite common in certain US states either to cool the car down (a mates Dodge in Houston was fitted with one as standard and apparently he could start it from a few miles away) or to warm the car up.

In fact, I've just come back from Florida and there was an advert (Ford I think) for new cars with remote start to clear the snow and warm the car up. Why this was being advertised in Florida I have no idea!

I think you will probably see over the next few years more and more manufacturers offering remote start purely for warm up, de-icing and passenger comfort reasons . FBH's etc tend to be unreliable at times and with the advent of stop/start technology on most new vehicles nowadays, all the required sensors etc for safely doing so are already in place.

NOT HAVING A DIG AT YOU BUT

All the greeneys keep telling us to switch engines off while stationery at lights or crossing etc to help save the planet... now we gonna have everybodys cars running warming up outside they houses .
wonder what they say to that!!!!
perhaps there go round keying everybodys car not just 4x4s like some were in London a while back

22nd Nov 2013 6:10pm

Mo Murphy

Member Since: 01 Jun 2008
Location: Letchworth Garden City, Herts
Posts: 2088

1984 Defender 90 200 Tdi HT Pennine Grey

It's actually illegal to leave an unattended vehicle running. I don't care if you do, just pointing that out

Mo The Land Rover 90 - Many are called, few are chosen.

22nd Nov 2013 8:51pm

defninety

Member Since: 13 May 2010
Location: Warwickshire
Posts: 37

^^^^ it's illegal to leave an unattended vehicle running on a public highway not on your own property. Therefore when you start your car to defrost whilst it is sat on your drive way, you are breaking no laws!

22nd Nov 2013 9:28pm

mrd1990

Member Since: 16 Aug 2012
Location: Wales
Posts: 600

To answer the original question: Yes

Here's my solution:

You'll need to leave the keyfob inside the dash permanently.. I believe it's needed unlock ECU to allow the car to start, this will compromise security.. The electronics are actually pretty simple.. a simple cheap remote starter kit will do (£50)

The interesting part which will resolve all issues as mentioned above is an actuator..

I.e: This thingy:

Install a simple 12v actuator to lock the clutch pedal in position when depressed. This solves the problem of leaving the car in gear and general wear and tear, also acts as a layer of security if correctly installed with a hidden switch..

E.g: You press the clutch all the way down, flick a hidden switch to power the actuator causing the clutch to lock in place.

Actuators don't use any electricity when powered so battery drain isn't a concern. Fit a switch on the clutch to enable the remote started only when the clutch is depressed.

Sounds complicated but it's only about

• ~6 wires
• An actuator ( a waterproof one

)
• 4 bolts to stick it to the bulkhead
• Hole cutting into the clutch pedal arm for the actuator arm
• On-Off-On switch

Alternatively you can install a simple lever next to the handbrake to hold the clutch depressed

)

22nd Nov 2013 10:12pm

Will.I.AM

Member Since: 16 May 2013
Location: Hertfordshire
Posts: 342

2005 Defender 130 Td5 HCPU Kaikoura Stone

for those who are interested i now have a price. I was told by Neil of Creative Car Sounds, he could do it for 450inc vat. This includes a remote stop alarm system linked to the fob as well, so for up to 200 yards, you can turn the engine on or off. It also includes a imobalisation system as well which cant be undone. I know some defenders have it already but another deterent or electronic head ache for clever theives is not a bad thing.

27th Nov 2013 4:32pm

bpman

Member Since: 21 May 2008
Location: Oslo
Posts: 8069

2008 Defender 110 Puma 2.4 SVX Station Wagon Santorini Black

<delete> - boy this thread is moving fast

27th Nov 2013 4:44pm

Paddie42

Member Since: 24 Apr 2014
Location: Hamphire
Posts: 230

Did anyone get this fitted?

8th Dec 2014 9:32pm

munch90

Member Since: 26 Oct 2013
Location: guildford
Posts: 3558

Doesnt matter if it 2 wheel drive or 4x4 , all your turning in the drivetrain is input (1st motion shaft ) and laygear ( 2nd motion shaft ) , and thats the same for any car
Normally only reason for starting clutch down is safety
agree with clutch down putting extra load on crank thrust bearing , normally only small brg surfaces

8th Dec 2014 10:25pm

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