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Laurie



Member Since: 22 Feb 2008
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England 2005 Defender 90 Td5 XS CSW Bonatti Grey
Imobiliser problem - Defender 90XS
Parked up in a local carpark today for half an hour.
Came back, unlocked, started engine which ran about 2 revolutions and stopped.
Repeated attempts just cranked engine.
Got out, locked car, waited 30 secs and tried again.
No heater plug or fuel pump lights, just turned over.
Tried several times, Same result. Called AA
AA tried everything plus key in doorlock reset - except - key doesn't work door lock! Works fine in rear door.
Battery disconnect doesn't help either.
Called Relay truck. Two hour wait.
Tried every fifteen minutes or so. Sometimes got heater and pump lights on, sometimes not.
After an hour and a half it worked. Started and ran perfectly. Tested several times before cancelling AA
Got me home OK.
Anyone got any ideas? I don't want to go through that every so often.
The key issue we'll take up with our dealers but, if it had turned, would it have made a diffence?
Post #10784 12th May 2009 11:15pm
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Grockle



Member Since: 24 Nov 2008
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Known fault there is a re flash to sort it,fault lies with the alarm. 2.4 90 XS
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Post #10798 13th May 2009 8:38am
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kljw



Member Since: 23 Jan 2009
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Grockle,
you don;t work for land rover by anychance? you seem to be quite a knowlageable chap. Cheers
keith
puer claudius
Post #10800 13th May 2009 8:41am
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Grockle



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No I don't Keith,Jaguar dealer Thumbs Up 2.4 90 XS
1968 1/32 scale Britains 109 Pick up.
Post #10805 13th May 2009 9:10am
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Laurie



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Thanks Grockle - back to the dealers.....
Post #10820 13th May 2009 11:42am
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Laurie



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PS
The Defender's now four years old and out of warranty.
Any ideas how I stand on getting the lock sorted and the necessary reflash?
Post #10837 13th May 2009 2:14pm
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Grockle



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You'll have to pay,doubt you will get a good will claim now. 2.4 90 XS
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Post #10842 13th May 2009 4:02pm
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Laurie



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Oh dear - more expense - thanks (I think?)
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bpman



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hi,

you could try a nanocom or rovacom. my nanocom has an alarm menu allowing you to reset it and change various settings. they are about £200, but that probably equates to 4 trips to the dealership?
Post #11162 21st May 2009 1:32pm
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philp



Member Since: 21 Oct 2008
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Its the immobiliser doing its job, I just lock and unlock it two or three times quickly using the key fob thingy and bingo! it starts.
Its just another trick to check that you are qualified to own a Defender;and not some spoilt "softy handed" Puf Laughing
Post #11179 21st May 2009 11:02pm
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SteveNorman



Member Since: 16 Sep 2008
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Hi, If it is an immobilser issue, the red led (in dash) will stay on when you try to start, but the starter will be inhibited (i.e. no engine cranking).
The immobiliser doesn't stop the glow plug or eng man light.

I would suggest you check the lucar connections in the relays under the driver's seat for a bad connection, one is the fuel pump, one the main relay. They may just need tightening a bit on the actual connections. Failing this check the main ecu plugs.

Interesting about the reflash, I haven't heard about an issue affecting a non start in this way retified by a reflash?

Regards
Steve
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mse



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SteveNorman wrote:
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Interesting about the reflash, I haven't heard about an issue affecting a non start in this way retified by a reflash?

Regards
Steve


I had a long time ago - affected 300tdi's to. Mike
Post #11230 23rd May 2009 9:37am
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SteveNorman



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Only post 2002 ecu's (part numbers starting with NNN) can be reflashed, earlier (MSB) ecu's were non reflashable. 300TDi defender only ever had an EGR module, no main ecu (only on disco1 autos).

Why I was interested was because I usually read all the updates issues when I check software versions with T4 & never noticed anything concerning this particular issue.

regards
Steve
Post #11253 23rd May 2009 10:04pm
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Laurie



Member Since: 22 Feb 2008
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I've been away for 12 days.
Engine cut a few times with fuel pressure light on, ETC light came on as well on one occaision!
Wiggled every connection under driver's seat - no problems since.
It's going into Caffyns for a check tomorrow - don't trust Guy Salmon any more.
(Caffyns told me there isn't a reflash for mine.)

Thanks for all the hints
Post #11369 28th May 2009 4:49pm
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mse



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SteveNorman wrote:
Only post 2002 ecu's (part numbers starting with NNN) can be reflashed, earlier (MSB) ecu's were non reflashable. 300TDi defender only ever had an EGR module, no main ecu (only on disco1 autos).

Why I was interested was because I usually read all the updates issues when I check software versions with T4 & never noticed anything concerning this particular issue.

regards
Steve


Definately an alarm ECU on discoveries - play with it alot you get different alarm sounders, lights etc etc - i seem to recall the alarm ECU hasnt changed significantly on the defender from the inception of 2 button fob Mike
Post #11372 28th May 2009 5:01pm
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